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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#0000ff>I found once I practiced
slow flying my pattern bird at low altitude my landings become much more
graceful. Have a reliable running engine and not on the last fumes if you
practice this but it makes you learn your planes just above stall speed behavior
and how to use rudder to steer and not rely on ailerons. Using light aileron can
cause you to drop a wing as it forces a wing to stall while other one stays
flying. Full scale pilots learn this with their short field runway work and when
exploring the bottom of the envelope.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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Del K. Rykert<BR> AMA - 8928
<BR> NSRCA - 473<BR> Kb2joi -
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=rcpilotjohn@wideopenwest.com
href="mailto:rcpilotjohn@wideopenwest.com">john</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:29
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Re: fixed gear vs.
retracts</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>You need to practice those full stall landings... hehehe
I never saw an<BR>ATP do that with a jumbo jet... those are all controlled
crashes with<BR>lots of braking once they hit the ground. Somewhat
reinforced gear on<BR>them big birds!<BR><BR>I would modify the advice George
gave - go to the airport and spend the<BR>$ for a short lesson from a
qualified CFI, talk to him (her) ahead of<BR>time and let him explain and
demonstrate the mechanics of a good<BR>landing.<BR><BR>I was pursuing a
private license years ago and actually got through the<BR>solo sequence twice,
13 years apart... wife decided a house was a more<BR>necessary way to spend
money than a pilot's license the first time, and<BR>I went back to school and
had no time to continue the second time. But I<BR>would never have quit the
second time if my instructor had not dorked up<BR>her knee as one of the
Luvabulls and then got fired for participating in<BR>a dangerous outside
activity. I would have found a way to make time to<BR>sit next to her for an
hour a week! Love them small planes they used as<BR>trainers!<BR><BR>Let's
see, I think it has been about 8 years since that second try,<BR>almost time
to think about another shot. Maybe. But that experience<BR>did
help me a little, I do try to stall the plane an inch off the<BR>ground, hold
it off till it stops flying, etc. Gear tends to survive,<BR>but the
plane takes a beating running out of runway and into the weeds!
<BR><BR>John<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<BR>On Behalf Of Keith Hoard<BR>Sent:
Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:58 AM<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>Subject: Re:
Re: fixed gear vs. retracts<BR><BR>Wow, I have an Airline Transport Pilot
licence and I still dork my<BR>planes in<BR>and rip the gear out sometimes. .
. .<BR><BR><BR>Keith L. Hoard<BR>Cordova, TN<BR><A
href="mailto:khoard@midsouth.rr.com">khoard@midsouth.rr.com</A><BR><BR>A man
in Arkansas spent 19 years in a coma before he finally
regained<BR>consciousness.... The only other person from Arkansas that didn't
know<BR>what<BR>was happening for 19 years was, of course, Hillary
Clinton.<BR> - Jay Leno<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From:
"GeorgeF." <<A
href="mailto:av8tor@flash.net">av8tor@flash.net</A>><BR>To: <<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:24 AM<BR>Subject: Re: Re: fixed gear vs.
retracts<BR><BR><BR>> At 11:01 AM 7/17/2003 -0400, you wrote:<BR>>
>With all of the variables that can affect the outcome of a landing<BR>>
>(deadsticks, other airplanes, strange topography, unusual wind
gusts,<BR>> >etc.) *I* have never heard of anyone who DID *NOT* "break"
landing<BR>gear<BR>> >(or parts) sometime in their career.<BR>>
>The record you quote, George, is ENVIABLE!!! 20 years without
ever<BR>> >breaking landing gear stuff....I think we need a "Landing How
To"<BR>article<BR>> >from you for the K-Factor!!! (As I'm
fortunate to make it through a<BR>days'<BR>> >flying without some sort
of off side/ends/surface landings which<BR>> >potentially hurt things -
Then there's those horse hoofprints off the<BR>end<BR>> >of the
runway...)<BR>><BR>> Well I've also had my Private Pilots license for as
many years and<BR>that is<BR>> one great way to learn the physics behind
who to make good landings.<BR>That<BR>> includes deadsticks, other
airplanes, strange topography, unusual wind<BR>> gusts. Once
suggestion is that if you know someone with a Pilots<BR>license<BR>> give
him a few bucks (ok $60/hour if the plane is rented) and go
with<BR>him<BR>> and do an hours worth of Touch AndGoes. You'll be
amazed at what<BR>you'll<BR>> learn! After all in a real plane bad
landings, bent gear, and in most<BR>> cases bounces are not
acceptable......<BR>><BR>> The most common mistakes I see is people
landing too fast! An<BR>aircraft<BR>> which is not stalled when
landing isn't landing but CRASHING! All<BR>good<BR>> landings start
with good approaches. Start by making long<BR>> approaches.
This will give you a chance to SLOW down the airplane and<BR>> evaluate the
wind conditions. If at all possible learn what's called<BR>the<BR>>
Wing Low method to compensate for crosswinds as opposed to
Crabbing.<BR>Most<BR>> modelers will crab right down to the ground, that
will result in an<BR>instant<BR>> BAD landing as you're landing gear are
going a different direction<BR>then<BR>> what the airplane is flying
resulting in a massive side load. That's<BR>a<BR>> large reason you
see people "bouncing" (both model and fullscale)<BR>during<BR>>
crosswinds.<BR>><BR>> With the wing low methods the landing gear are
going the same<BR>direction as<BR>> the plane. To land using this
method you use aileron to hold the<BR>upwind<BR>> wing low. To
correct for the tendency of the plane to turn that same<BR>> direction you
would use just enough opposite rudder to keep the plane<BR>> aligned with
the runway center line. If done correctly you'll have<BR>the<BR>>
upwind main landing gear hit the ground first, followed by
the<BR>downwind<BR>> main gear, and finally the nose gear if you're flying
a trike.<BR>><BR>> George<BR>> <A
href="http://www.MilAirComms.com">http://www.MilAirComms.com</A><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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