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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Jim</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks for the idea. I know a couple of people that I
possibly can tempt wiht that challenge. :-) I know it's been a challenge
for me :-))</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Eddie</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jivey61@msn.com href="mailto:jivey61@msn.com">jim ivey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 28, 2003 2:37 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: NEW concept? for pattern
entry.</DIV>
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<DIV>Eddie</DIV>
<DIV>The way you get people interested in pattern is to challange them to
learn how to fly a straight line with the runway at the same altitude and
parallel to the ground. That will weed out the hotdogs and loud
mouths. That is the hardest part of pattern flying. The rest is easy when
they have learned this. I bet you will have some humble guys afterwards. When
they get interested enough to do this, they are hooked. All else is
practice. I just hooked 2 guys in SPA last weekend and now they are
looking forward to the next contest in a couple of weeks.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jim Ivey</DIV>
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Eddie Batchelor</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 28, 2003 1:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: NEW concept? for pattern
entry.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello to the NSRCA list. I have been reading
the list for about 3 weeks now and I'd like to share my thoughts
here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Being from the same hometown as Nat Penton, I
have naturally watched pattern since my introduction to RC in 1979. If I
hadn't abandoned the hobby for marriage and etc :-) I would have been flying
pattern for a long time now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Since picking RC back up 2 years ago, I've
moved up to the skill level that I am now attempting to "learn" the 401
schedule and am amazed at how "Hard" it is to do such simple maneuvers
properly. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now for my point :-) I ,for one, would not want
a simpler (non-turnaround)class. It's like remedial math, there's something
psychological about not being good enough to do it like the big-guys. Also
it is my understanding that part of the reason for the move to turn-around
was to speed things up. Would a non-turnaround class slow things
back down. It would be even more embarrassing for everyone to have to
wait on the "beginners" due to a slow schedule.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Since my club(LARKS) is hosting a contest this
next month, I have tried to encourage our sport members to enter. Many have
never seen a pattern contest (it's been several years since we had a
contest). I get answers like "I don't want to do that -you have to practice
too much. I just want to fly" I would appredciate some answers from
you experienced guys on how to entice them further. I'm hoping getting to
see it (the contest)will do some of that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm sure there are many parts to this problem
(proposed change) that I've not thought about or am not aware of. I just
wanted to share the view point of someone trying to "start" in pattern. I do
realise that my view may be biased from having know a little about pattern
in the past. But knowing about something and doing it are entirely two
different things ( I'm finding that out) :-))</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eddie </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>AMA 80330</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>NSRCA 3584</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>KD5RJQ</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Website : <A
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: 337-786-6111<BR>Fax :
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Eric.Henderson@gartner.com
href="mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com">Henderson,Eric</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 28, 2003 9:22
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> NEW concept? for pattern
entry.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=810190714-28072003>One idea that I have thought about proposing is
to change the 401 class back to non turnaround. Too many pilots get
dangerously out of kilter trying to handle the flight direction challenges
after a center maneuver when they are under the stress load of being
judged. Their next step up would be 402 turnaround but by then they would
be more pattern proficient.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=810190714-28072003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=810190714-28072003>We would change the schedule to do more than
straight line in the center but not by much else.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=810190714-28072003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=810190714-28072003>Any strong feelings or views on this train
of thought?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=810190714-28072003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=810190714-28072003>Regards,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=810190714-28072003><BR>Eric.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>