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<DIV>As for combining IMAC and Pattern events under the AMA and in the same
contest....I'm a big supporter of this....and to my knowledge Bruce Reins and I
are the only ones in the country to run our contest as IMAC and Pattern
Combined.....All the same rules for each event...and just a contest with 7-8
classes instead of the 4-5 normal ones....Also while Pattern was flying IMAC was
judging and while IMAC was flying Pattern was judging. It made life easier on
the finding of judges.</DIV>
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<DIV>The pilots I spoke with after a 2 year run at it liked the idea and were
beginning to try flying both in the same contest....The first year we had 2-3
crossovers that entered both events....The second year We had 6 crossovers I
think out of 25 total pilots....</DIV>
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<DIV>My guess is that Bruce and boys will do the same aging this year....I'm not
living in the area any longer.</DIV>
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<DIV>The key is I think IMAC and Pattern belong under the same interest group
NSCA/IMAC or maybe the American Aerobatics Society or something like
that.....</DIV>
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<DIV>Upon saying a year ago I was blasted as a heretic....NSCAR and INDY cars
don't run in the same league so IMAC and Pattern belong as different
animals...different groups....different newsletters...different
budgets....different management...</DIV>
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<DIV>All of this as both groups struggle for attendance to meets...struggle for
membership dues and struggle to keep a newsletter afloat....both group have
financial issues, and both groups fall under the same rules making body of the
AMA.....both groups have contests that simulate each other...maybe some rules
are different but they are more alike that anyone wants to admit....</DIV>
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<DIV>Oh and here is a little note I picked up from an RC industry guy...never
thought of this way before...."</DIV>
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<DIV>IMAC airplanes are the hot thing...the reason they are sport airplanes that
get taken to a contest and entered....very few pattern models get taken to the
Sunday flying field and flown for fun. We practice with them....It takes
dedication and drive to be successful doing what we do....and at the end of the
day...the IMAC guy goes out and shoots touch and go's and hot dogs
around.....More IMAC planes are sold, bought and flown and never see a
contest.... than those that compete in a competition...</DIV>
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<DIV>So my opinion is in IMAC as in Pattern it takes huge time commitments to be
at the top...It takes some money but not the loads that we spend.....It takes a
drive and a dedication to self improvement and towards the goal of a USA team or
a NATS finish.</DIV>
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<DIV>In today's society this strive for excellence is not rewarded...Kids no
longer get grades telling them they failed math rather they get a NI or Needs
Improvement. Instead of getting a smack upside the head and forced to pay
attention they get labeled as ADD.....and instead of winning the spelling bee
they get green ribbons saying I was there...I showed...and got this cool
participation award.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We have the US government filing lawsuits against Microsoft for a
monopoly...when none of the MS competition has a product that is worth spit
compared and the reason hey are upset is MS is giving away some of their feature
and products for free! Instead of making the competition work harder to bat MS
to the punch the governments that's OK little guy I'll help you...its not fair
to compete with a big bad bully like him.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Well guys this is the current smell of what is rotten in DENMARK....and
people wonder why competition events draw so much smaller crowds than say a Joe
NALL event of any other get together fun to fly activity.....Its the way it
is....our lives everyday are this way....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Competition is great a glorious thing...I'm a natural competitor and I love
it....the drive to reach Excellence is what has brought me to my current
passion. I have a passion for Excellence as do some of you. Just because the
other guy doesn't just means his goals are different...There will always be some
that want to excel with Precision Aerobatics....and there will those that
don't.....I think we as the NSRCA need to look as stretching our hand to other
groups and working together to promote Aerobatics and competition and stop
fighting internally with MAC'ers or the Paw-Turn boys.</DIV>
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<DIV>just my opinion and it reflects only on me</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Troy Newman</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Eric.Henderson@gartner.com
href="mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com">Henderson,Eric</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:01
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: FAI F3AL</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
think that it is an attempt to Internationalize scale aerobatics. Basically
IMAC is a USA based class. It's pinnacle being the
TOC. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Several European flyers only have the the TOC as an actual contest. So,
the French move is to create an FAI class for IMAC like planes. They would, of
course have FAI rules to comply with and would have stricter noise standards
etc. The cars and vans are smaller over there so you see a size rule as
well.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It
really is an IMAC scale aerobatics issue and not an NSRCA precision
aerobatics problem. Once there is an international scale aerobatics class they
rule and many of our USA IMAC planes would not meet the
rules.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Closer to home we should be looking at FG1 which is freestyle with
pattern specs. If the NSRCA does not take it on then it may well free-wheel
itself into IMAC.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Wake
up call for the NSRCA...</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>E.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>P.S.
F3A sizes will probably not change because the planes would not fit through
French doorways :-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=732534915-30072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>ArestiPattern@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:48
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> FAI
F3AL<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#800040 size=3 FAMILY="SCRIPT">Link to the Proposal
for those
interested<BR><BR><BR>http://www.fai.org/aeromodelling/meetings/2003/ciam_2003_agenda_anx07.pdf</FONT>
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