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<DIV><EM><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Thanks for your information about "shaking"
the fuel jugs before using. As usual you all have a vast knowledge of a lot of
things....Don</FONT></EM></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Eric.Henderson@gartner.com
href="mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com">Henderson,Eric</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 22, 2003 9:17
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Shaking Up Fuel
Bottles?</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=028105913-22092003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
will use about 20-30 case of 2-c and 4-c fuel a year, in both pattern and
sport planes. I know that the fuels should be well mixed and should stay that
way but....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=028105913-22092003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003>On multiple occasions I have had engines run fat or
smoky (both 2 and 4 -c) when I switched to a "fresh" new can of of fuel.
Clearing that tank of the fuel that was in there and refilling with fuel that
had been shaken, produced a normal run.</SPAN> <SPAN
class=028105913-22092003> Not talking about first run of the day
either.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003>Since then I stopped fitting a new bottle every time
and began to use a permanent bottle/can on the flight-box and fill from a new
can. Never happened again. I think that some oil or higher oil methanol
ratio sits at the bottom - that's where the electric pump pick-up is -
and you get a mix that gives you a sort of bad
run.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003>Once I did try lifting the bottle pick up to half way
up the bottle and filled the tank tank that way. It ran normally
again. Call it my imagination, tell me it can't happen scientifically, but
I'll shake my fuel and also transfer to another can before I use it.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003>To answer the original question it does not seem to
cause any harm to do so.(Shake it, that is!)</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003>Regards, </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003>Eric.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>P<SPAN
class=028105913-22092003>.S. A can that has been opened and 2/3 of the fuel
used, sealed and then left for a year, seems to lose its Nitro content and
give similar results</SPAN>.<SPAN
class=028105913-22092003> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Kris
Kovanda<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 21, 2003 7:05 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Shaking Up Fuel
Bottles?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't, But I've only been flying 4 years.
I got bad fuel once, so I switched brand and never happened again. What
fuel are you using? I just pulled the gallon out of the case and
fly. :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kris Kovanda</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>D3 Pattern</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dlivermore@mchsi.com href="mailto:dlivermore@mchsi.com">Don
Livermore</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 21, 2003 5:54
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Shaking Up Fuel Bottles?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Someone who has been racing rc cars for
over 20 years and is a very qualified rc guy asked me this week if I had
been "shaking" the gallon fuel bottles to mix the ingredients up before
using. I had gotten a bad gallon of fuel that was just purchased from
a local hobby shop and in questioning him about this is when he asked
me the question. I have been doing rc for over ten years and I have never
done this or have ever seen anyone doing this. Do any of you out there in
"pattern land" do this?
Thanks.....Don</FONT></EM></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>