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<DIV><SPAN class=805272022-22092003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ron -
Isn't it that -</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=805272022-22092003> <FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>"we don't know what we don't know, so therefore we know
everything we need to???" <VBG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=805272022-22092003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Bob
P</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=805272022-22092003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>(who
doesn't know much)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Wayne Galligan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 22, 2003 5:17
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Shaking Up Fuel
Bottles?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ron,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Or is it? "We have this vast infinite
wealth of useless knowledge"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne G.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 22, 2003 5:09
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Shaking Up Fuel
Bottles?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><BR>Don Livermore wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><EM><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Thanks for your information about
"shaking" the fuel jugs before using. As usual you all have a vast
knowledge of a lot of things....Don</FONT></EM></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah,
some of us have vast knowledge on subjects. For some, the knowledge is
only half vast. <VBG><BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<BR>
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style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Eric.Henderson@gartner.com
href="mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com">Henderson,Eric</A> </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none"><B>To:</B>
<A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none"><B>Sent:</B>
Monday, September 22, 2003 9:17 AM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none"><B>Subject:</B>
RE: Shaking Up Fuel Bottles?</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=028105913-22092003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I will use about 20-30 case of 2-c and 4-c fuel a year, in both
pattern and sport planes. I know that the fuels should be well mixed and
should stay that way but....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003>On multiple occasions I have had engines run
fat or smoky (both 2 and 4 -c) when I switched to a "fresh" new can
of of fuel. Clearing that tank of the fuel that was in there and
refilling with fuel that had been shaken, produced a normal
run.</SPAN> <SPAN class=028105913-22092003> Not talking about
first run of the day either.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003>Since then I stopped fitting a new bottle every
time and began to use a permanent bottle/can on the flight-box and fill
from a new can. Never happened again. I think that some oil or higher
oil methanol ratio sits at the bottom - that's where the electric
pump pick-up is - and you get a mix that gives you a sort of bad
run.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003>Once I did try lifting the bottle pick up to
half way up the bottle and filled the tank tank that way. It
ran normally again. Call it my imagination, tell me it can't happen
scientifically, but I'll shake my fuel and also transfer to another can
before I use it. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003>To answer the original question it does not
seem to cause any harm to do so.(Shake it, that
is!)</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=028105913-22092003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003>Regards, </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003>Eric.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>P<SPAN
class=028105913-22092003>.S. A can that has been opened and 2/3 of the
fuel used, sealed and then left for a year, seems to lose its Nitro
content and give similar results</SPAN>.<SPAN
class=028105913-22092003> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=028105913-22092003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=028105913-22092003> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><B>From:</B> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</A>
[<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org</A>]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Kris Kovanda<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 21, 2003
7:05 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: Shaking Up Fuel Bottles?<BR><BR></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't, But I've only been flying 4
years. I got bad fuel once, so I switched brand and never happened
again. What fuel are you using? I just pulled the gallon out
of the case and fly. :)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kris Kovanda</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>D3 Pattern</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=dlivermore@mchsi.com href="mailto:dlivermore@mchsi.com">Don
Livermore</A> </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none"><B>To:</B>
<A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none"><B>Sent:</B>
Sunday, September 21, 2003 5:54 PM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-stretch: normal; font-size-adjust: none"><B>Subject:</B>
Shaking Up Fuel Bottles?</DIV>
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<DIV><EM><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Someone who has been racing rc
cars for over 20 years and is a very qualified rc guy asked me this
week if I had been "shaking" the gallon fuel bottles to mix the
ingredients up before using. I had gotten a bad gallon of fuel that
was just purchased from a local hobby shop and in
questioning him about this is when he asked me the question. I have
been doing rc for over ten years and I have never done this or have
ever seen anyone doing this. Do any of you out there in "pattern land"
do this?
Thanks.....Don</FONT></EM></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>