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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ed:<BR><BR>Very well put.....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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<A title=Divesplat1@msn.com href="mailto:Divesplat1@msn.com">Ed Deaver</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 17, 2003 2:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Decline of pattern /
Translation</DIV>
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<DIV>Every club newletter I write up begins with what a good time it is to see
everyone and the friendships that have been made. Including that this is
the reeason for competing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I disagree most don't get it. Look at the number of sport pilots
that go to fly ins to see old friends. It is there. Look at the
coffee crew(old farts, geezers or what ever each club has a name for then,
albeit affectionately) They put one flight in but talk for hours, they
get it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We have to realize most either don't want to compete for what ever
reason, and/or in our society of instant gratification don't want to strive
towards a goal. I believe this is the biggest problem.. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Lets take a difficult but very rewarding manuever, the rolling
circle. Took me a solid summer of failed attempts to achieve a very ugly
4 roll roller. Then another 2 years to get to make the thing look decent
for IMAC. No one in our 100 member club has any desire to work at
something that dedicatedly just to be able to do it. Herein lies the
problem.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't believe Pattern needs to change. I don't believe we are
doing anything wrong either. The simple fact is Pattern requires a
commitment, with effort, to accomplish the goal of flying better and most are
simply not willing to make that commitment. This is fine as we live in
America and should be able to choose. What we do have to do is accept
how things are and work from there. As stated in an earlier discussion,
when someone shows interest then we can try to get them to give Pattern a
whirl.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Just my thoughts.</DIV>
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<DIV>ed</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:tkeithb@comcast.net">Keith Black</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 17, 2003 1:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Decline of pattern /
Translation</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>> How do we help translate the pattern
experience to non pattern flyers to get them to at least give it a
shot?<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think you just did. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gray Fowler told me pretty much the same thing
you've said regarding the fellowship and I found that very appealing. In
addition he let me know that most beginning sportsman fliers are all over
the sky at their first contests and I shouldn't worry about not being good
enough. That and a little bit of urging got me to my first
contest.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I personally was quite worried about flying in
front of judges, but looked at it as a personal challenge to overcome. When
I flew my first round without crashing I was delighted.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Of course you have to realize that people get
the same type of fellowship and camaraderie from other activities and groups
as well. Also, it takes a certain type of personality to be afraid of
something and consider that a *reason* to do it. Therefore my reasons for
jumping in won't apply to everyone. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So next time someone asks you about pattern
flying don't forget to tell them about the fellowship, I'm proof that's a
persuasive part of the equation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keith Black</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A href="mailto:WHIP23@aol.com">WHIP23@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 17, 2003 12:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Decline of pattern /
Translation</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 10/17/03 6:09:37 AM Pacific Daylight
Time, <A href="mailto:aabdu@sbcglobal.net">aabdu@sbcglobal.net</A>
writes:<BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE">I don't want to get anything started, but I had a thought
inspired from an off list conversation with a pattern buddy.<BR>
<BR>We go to pattern competitions and most of the time we love it. I
have had great pattern weekends in Lancaster, Oh. in a nearly constant
downpour and realized that the flying and competition are only half the
story. What we experience at a contest does not translate well to sport
pilots. I know, at least for me, that when I tell sport flyers about
contests we talk about the planes and the manuevers. Unfortunately the
friendships made, the sportsmanship, the camaraderie, the fellowships,
and the sense of accomplishment, just do not translate well to people
who have not experienced it. I always struggle when I'm asked, often,
what you get for winning. They never quite understand that the trophy is
only half the story.<BR> <BR>So the $50,000 question is: How do we
help translate the pattern experience to non pattern flyers to get them
to at least give it a shot?<BR> <BR>Just a few
thoughts.<BR>Anthony<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Just smile a lot
:-) Some will understand (a few), most will not.<BR><BR>Bob</FONT>
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