<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Wow ! If the AMA wants the facility available more to regular members then that is a very lame excuse. The national flying site was built for the NATS, not just in case someone is traveling thru the cornfields of Indiana....with an airplane....I do believe Steve Maxwell(lives nearby) told me that people rarely fly there anyway...so if that was an official excuse to shorten the NATS, then it is just plain lame. The average AMA member could get more flying time by staying home. This just seems so incredible if it is true....the world's largest site dedicated to RC JUST IN CASE you are in Indiana with a plane......Imagine if the AMA held no competition and did not need the flying site, only an admin blgd, how much better off financially the AMA would be.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">If this is true we should fire every AMA executive we know and replace them with Dilbert managers...we would be much better off....<br>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>Ron Van Putte <vanputte@cox.net></b></font>
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Brian Young wrote:</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Courier New">Whats the reasoning behind wanting a smaller time<br>
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The AMA "rents" the facility to AMA members so they can stop by the facility, visit the museum and fly an airplane on one of the sites. The Nats are held during the prime flying season (past Nats attenders may argue that statement, based on bad weather), so the time for ordinary AMA members use the facility is reduced. If they make the total duration of the Nats shorter, more AMA members can use the facility.<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: </font><a href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org"><font size=3 color=blue face="Courier New"><u>discussion-request@nsrca.org</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Courier New"><br>
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Ron Van Putte<br>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:35 AM<br>
To: </font><a href=mailto:discussion@nsrca.org><font size=3 color=blue face="Courier New"><u>discussion@nsrca.org</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Courier New"><br>
Subject: Re: Pattern & IMAC 2003 Nationals articles<br>
in AMA Mag.<br>
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One problem I see looming on the horizon is the AMA<br>
will force NSRCA and IMAC to share the same 5 day<br>
period at the Nats. The AMA Executive Council has<br>
already gone on record that it wants the Nats to be<br>
done in a shorter time frame. Initially this will<br>
be implemented by pushing existing SIG time slots<br>
closer together, but, sooner or later, they will<br>
probably take note of the shrinking numbers of IMAC<br>
pilots at the Nats and decide that the NSRCA and<br>
IMAC can be done during the same time frame. <br>
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Henderson,Eric wrote:<br>
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Mike,<br>
I have always hated the split. I know how<br>
and why it happened and also know that you can't<br>
change the past. I fly anything with wings and<br>
especially like flying both types of planes. (The<br>
real difference is the equipment specifications).<br>
The classes flown and the styles do need separate<br>
organizations to take care of their needs.<br>
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I wrote this several months ago, "Create the USRCA -<br>
United States Radio Controlled Aerobatics - A forum<br>
for common and collaborative issues to provide<br>
united national representation, (in particular to<br>
the AMA). Core group would be two rep's from each<br>
current and any new RC aerobatics SIG's". (Nothing<br>
nasty came up on Google with the acronym-BTW). today<br>
this would be IMAC, SPA and the NSRCA forming the<br>
initial umbrella organization. <br>
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The inherent problem with each discipline forming<br>
its own SIG is that the word "special" leads to much<br>
"specialization" and becomes a synonym for<br>
separation. Forming a USRCA keeps the SIG identities<br>
and operations fully functional, but creates a forum<br>
for common issues such as, sound regulation, Nat's<br>
locations, contest scheduling, rules cycles etc.<br>
that affect us all.<br>
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Howzat for food for thought.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Eric.<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: </font><a href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org"><font size=3 color=blue face="Courier New"><u>discussion-request@nsrca.org</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Courier New"> [<br>
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mike mueller<br>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:19 AM<br>
To: </font><a href=mailto:discussion@nsrca.org><font size=3 color=blue face="Courier New"><u>discussion@nsrca.org</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Courier New"><br>
Subject: Re: Pattern & Imac 2003 Nationals articles<br>
in AMA Mag.<br>
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I feel that we have so much in common with the IMAC<br>
guys. I really think that we would benefit if we<br>
would merge into one group and bring in the SPA guys<br>
too. It's RC aerobatics and 1 group would be more<br>
effective from the standpoint of strength in numbers<br>
and eliminating redundancy. If we would work<br>
together we would be much better off. But hey that's<br>
just my opinion. Mike<br>
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george kennie </font><a href=mailto:geobet@gis.net><font size=3 color=blue face="Courier New"><u><mailto:geobet@gis.net></u></font></a><font size=3 face="Courier New"><br>
</font><a href=mailto:geobet@gis.net><font size=3 color=blue face="Courier New"><u><geobet@gis.net></u></font></a><font size=3 face="Courier New"> wrote: <br>
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Boy, I had a similar reaction. After all the hype<br>
over the last several years about how Imac is the<br>
fastest growing venue of the sport, they had a total<br>
head count of 37??? C'mon, at a Nationals<br>
event??????????? As far as representatives of a<br>
SIG, it appears that they had absolutely zero</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Courier New">support people. You can't feel that this is due to<br>
some economic condition, as all these guys seem to<br>
have airplanes in the >$7500 category. It also<br>
sounds like they do not have a judging program to<br>
certify potential judges, as there were many<br>
complaints regarding unfair scoring awards,<br>
resulting in many pilots realizing that they had<br>
been unduly cheated. <br>
The overall tenor of the entire meet seemed to have<br>
a great black pall decend upon Muncie for the<br>
duration of their event with nobody leaving for home<br>
with a good feeling. <br>
This report certainly does not bode well as an<br>
encouraging carrot regarding future attendance. <br>
Their venue appears to require a super shot in the<br>
arm of administrative influx, if they are going to<br>
survive in a manner capable of sustaining any number<br>
base. <br>
It's very SAD!!!!!!!! <br>
Georgie <br>
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Woodward James R Civ 412 TW/DRP wrote: <br>
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Hi All,<br>
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Have you read the write up by Eric and Ed regarding<br>
the Pattern and IMAC nats results and event running<br>
in general? I really enjoyed reading Eric's<br>
article. When I read the IMAC article I thought,<br>
"Ed has a lot of courage to describe the event the<br>
way he did." It once again made me think of how<br>
lucky we are to have dedicated individuals running<br>
our Nationals & NSRCA. Lots of times we start<br>
threads about what needs to be changed in pattern. <br>
Given some things could be improved; we must overall<br>
have a pretty good formula for getting people<br>
involved & trained in judging. The articles are<br>
definitely worth a thorough read!! <br>
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No flame suit, just starting dialog. <br>
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Jim W. <br>
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