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<DIV><FONT size=2>One of my pet peeves: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> Just where and what does the rule book say
about judging attitude on landings? Its still track and that is not judged
until the final 2 meters!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>He who does not keep a wing low into a crosswind on landings
needs more airplanes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I am beginning to see the logic in FAI scoring: We cannot seem
to get the judges to score To & L's properly, so lets concentrate on flying.
I will back off on my earlier suggestion to make them each a K4. After reading
this thread I am now favor of ignoring everything that is not bracketed by "in
the box" & "out of the box". </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If there is this much confusion among this group there is
little hope at a contest. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I have never seen it done, but as I read the rule book the AMA
pilot could realize over the threshhold at 50 feet or so that things are sour
with this approach. Could he not make an abrupt circle out into the flight area
and try again WITHOUT PENALTY if he does not pass in front of the
judges?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>John Ferrell<BR>6241 Phillippi Rd<BR>Julian NC 27283<BR>Phone:
(336)685-9606<BR><A
href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">johnferrell@earthlink.net</A><BR>Dixie
Competition Products<BR>NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW<BR>"My Competition is Not
My Enemy"<BR> <BR></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=drykert@rochester.rr.com href="mailto:drykert@rochester.rr.com">Del
Rykert</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 11, 2003 1:35
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Spoilers for Pattern
Planes?????</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#0000ff>all true but I've rarely
seen a pilot slip to landing smoothly. I can only think of one time I've seen
it and I wasn't judging and don't know how he scored but I felt he deserved a
decent score from my viewing angle.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#0000ff>
Del</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Eric.Henderson@gartner.com
href="mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com">Henderson,Eric</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:43
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Spoilers for Pattern
Planes?????</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>AMA rules state you can side slip:-<BR><BR>The landing will
not be downgraded if:<BR> <BR>3.The pilot elects to "slip to a
landing," to handle<BR>a crosswind condition, in which case the<BR>upwind
wing will be low.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Eric.<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</A><BR>[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of <A
href="mailto:chadnortheast@shaw.ca">chadnortheast@shaw.ca</A><BR>Sent:
Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:29 AM<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>Subject: Re:
Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????<BR><BR><BR>He flies FAI anyway, I doubt it
hurts the scores much :)<BR><BR>Besides where does it say you cant
slip?<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: mike mueller <<A
href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Date:
Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:20 am<BR>Subject: Re: Spoilers for Pattern
Planes?????<BR><BR>> Exactly when are you supposed to start judging the
landing? If <BR>> you stop the slip before 6 feet off the ground then it
shouldn't <BR>> effect the judge. I guess after so many years of flying I
can tell <BR>> you that I'm a little tired of the judges and there petty
<BR>> preferences that shouldn't come into play. But hey that won't
<BR>> change things so I guess I'll learn to deal with it. Mike<BR>>
<BR>> Del Rykert <<A
href="mailto:drykert@rochester.rr.com">drykert@rochester.rr.com</A>>
wrote:Might be more fun but <BR>> doesn't help your score because it
don't impress the judges.<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
From: Adam Glatt <BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> <BR>> Sent:
Monday, November 10, 2003 8:59 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: Spoilers for Pattern
Planes?????<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Side slipping is more fun
=><BR>> <BR>> From: "Larry Diamond" <<A
href="mailto:jed241@msn.com">jed241@msn.com</A>><BR>> <BR>>
>>Reply-To: <A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>>
>>To: "NSRCA" <<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A>><BR>>
>>Subject: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????<BR>> >>Date: Mon,
10 Nov 2003 18:19:33 -0500<BR>> >><BR>> >>OK...Maybe I'm
loosing my mind...<BR>> >><BR>> >>I had a conversation
with an individual that told me I was wrong <BR>> and that <BR>>
>>we don't use nor will ever use spoilers for a pattern plane.<BR>>
>><BR>> >>I do have at least one e-mail referencing that some
folks in New <BR>> Jersey <BR>> >>have tinkered with this. I
seem to recall a number of posts but <BR>> I can' find <BR>>
>>them.<BR>> >><BR>> >>What I would like to do, is
take the responses (Good / Bad) from <BR>> this <BR>> >>thread
to form my own opinion.<BR>> >><BR>> >>I have never tried
it. But I think it was advise I received from <BR>> a thread <BR>>
>>on trying to control the speed of my landings for short runways.
<BR>> But I <BR>> >>really don't recall all the
points...<BR>> >><BR>> >>Then again, perhaps I have lost
my mind...<BR>> >><BR>> >>See ya,<BR>> >><BR>>
>>Larry<BR>> >> <BR>> >><BR>>
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