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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wonder now if Georgie is right in his assessment
of the politics. This is an amazingly odd comment by the chairman of the
contest board about the NSRCA rules survey:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> "From 2002. An old survey before the rules proposals were
available to the membership. In my mind I am not sure it is still
valid. Do not think there was a "2004" survey or 2003 for that matter.<?/smaller> <BR>John<?/smaller> <BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As we have learned the hard way, the voting
occurring this April 2004 is based on rules proposals wording finalized in Sept
2002 and that were approved in July 2003 to be on the ballot in April
2004. Any member surveys after Sept 2002 are moot. We shouldn't
discount the survey since it is the only official accounting of member opinion
collected before the cutoff. The April vote is the opportunity to
determine if the proper proposals made long ago should become
rules.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> If John feels the 2002 survey is no
longer valid, on what is he basing that opinion? Seems to me all the
evidence shows that the 2002 survey results are still valid.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 14, 2003 11:05
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Fwd: Rule Change Survey
Results</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>NSRCA Discussion List members: For your information, below is
an interchange I had this morning with John Fuqua, R/C Aerobatics contest
board chairman regarding potential takeoff/landing rule changes, extracted
from the 2002 NSRCA member survey .<BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<BR><BR>Begin
forwarded message:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><B><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>From: <?/color></B>Fuqua John
D Contr AAC/YAA <john.fuqua@eglin.af.mil><BR><B><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Date: <?/color></B>November 14, 2003 8:49:15 AM PST<BR><B><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>To: <?/color></B>"'Ron Van Putte'"
<vanputte@cox.net><BR><B><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Cc:
<?/color></B>"'Tony Stillman'" <tony@radiosouthrc.com><BR><B><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Subject: <?/color>RE: Rule Change Survey Results<BR></B><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>OK.
This was the result of a personal initiative to submit Discussion List
discussion to me and it is not a official NSRCA input. Duly
noted. I choose not to forward THAT to the
board. Again, I will forward an NSRCA input on the rules proposals
should I receive one.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>John<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?smaller>-----Original
Message-----<?/smaller><BR><B><?smaller>From:<?/smaller></B><?smaller>Ron
Van Putte [mailto:vanputte@cox.net]<?/smaller><BR><B><?smaller>Sent:<?/smaller></B><?smaller>Friday,
November 14, 2003 10:41 AM<?/smaller><BR><B><?smaller>To:<?/smaller></B><?smaller>Fuqua John D Contr
AAC/YAA<?/smaller><BR><B><?smaller>Subject:<?/smaller></B><?smaller>Re: Rule
Change Survey Results<?/smaller><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Nov 14, 2003, at
8:26 AM, Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>Do not
know what precipitated this particular input, but I do not want to get into
piecemeal NSRCA inputs to the Board. If NSRCA wants to provide a
comprehensive reccommendation on all proposals, I will forward it to the
Board.<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>It was the topic of
considerable discussion on the NSRCA Discussion List. It was suggested that
the results of the survey be forwarded to the Board and I agreed to do
it.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Ron<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>-----Original
Message-----<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>From: Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:21
AM<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>To: 'Ron Van Putte'<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>Cc: 'Tony Stillman'<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>Subject:
RE: Rule Change Survey Results<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>From 2002.
An old survey before the rules proposals were available to the
membership. In my mind I am not sure it is still valid. Do not
think there was a "2004" survey or 2003 for that matter.<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>John<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><?smaller>-----Original
Message-----<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>From: Ron Van Putte [<?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE>mailto:vanputte@cox.net<?/color>]<?/smaller>
<BR><BR><?smaller>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:16 AM<?/smaller>
<BR><BR><?smaller>To: Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>Cc: discussion@nsrca.org; Tony Stillman<?/smaller>
<BR><BR><?smaller>Subject: Rule Change Survey Results<?/smaller>
<BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>John - I have agreed to forward the results of an
NSRCA survey on the<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>takeoff/landing rule change
proposal, which were extracted from a 2002<?/smaller>
<BR><BR><?smaller>K-Factor. Here they are:<?/smaller>
<BR><BR><BR><?smaller>"This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA
survey, voted on<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>landings and Take-off's for
2005 rules proposal changes.<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><?smaller>Question-10<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>Should the
Take off and Landing be scored in 401.<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>YES =
152____ NO =
26_____ RESULT =
NO CHANGE____<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>Question-16<?/smaller>
<BR><BR><?smaller>Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>YES =
156____ NO =
25_____ RESULT = NO
CHANGE____<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>Question-19<?/smaller>
<BR><BR><?smaller>Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>YES =
135____ NO =
39_____ RESULT = NO
CHANGE____<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>Question-24<?/smaller>
<BR><BR><?smaller>Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>YES =
106____ NO =
60_____ RESULT = NO
CHANGE____<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>As you can see the majority
still wanted to have them scored. The vote<?/smaller>
<BR><BR><?smaller>weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for
them both to<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>be scored."<?/smaller>
<BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>As R/C Aerobatics Contest Board chairman, please
distribute the results<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>to the other board
members prior to the final vote on this proposal.<?/smaller>
<BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>Ron Van Putte<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>NSRCA
vice president<?/smaller> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>