<DIV> That's a good question. Hell anything that takes that long is broke. With todays rapid communication lines the process should be reinvented. It's ridiculous! Mike<BR><BR><B><I>Gene Maurice <gene.maurice@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><SPAN class=153202119-15112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Can someone please explain to me why the rules proposal, submission, voting, approval, and implementation process takes so long. There is nearly 2 1/2 years from conception to birth. Hell, elephant gestation is only 22 months!!!! </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=153202119-15112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'm not taking shots at anyone, just curious why it takes so long.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Gene Maurice<BR>gene.maurice@comcast.net<BR>Plano, TX<BR>AMA 3408<BR>NSRCA 877 </FONT></P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Lance Van Nostrand<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:42 PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Rule Change Survey Results<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wonder now if Georgie is right in his assessment of the politics. This is an amazingly odd comment by the chairman of the contest board about the NSRCA rules survey:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV> "From 2002. An old survey before the rules proposals were available to the membership. In my mind I am not sure it is still valid. Do not think there was a "2004" survey or 2003 for that matter.<?/smaller> <BR>John<?/smaller> <BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As we have learned the hard way, the voting occurring this April 2004 is based on rules proposals wording finalized in Sept 2002 and that were approved in July 2003 to be on the ballot in April 2004. Any member surveys after Sept 2002 are moot. We shouldn't discount the survey since it is the only official accounting of member opinion collected before the cutoff. The April vote is the opportunity to determine if the proper proposals made long ago should become rules.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> If John feels the 2002 survey is no longer valid, on what is he basing that opinion? Seems to me all the evidence shows that the 2002 survey results are still valid.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 14, 2003 11:05 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Fwd: Rule Change Survey Results</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>NSRCA Discussion List members: For your information, below is an interchange I had this morning with John Fuqua, R/C Aerobatics contest board chairman regarding potential takeoff/landing rule changes, extracted from the 2002 NSRCA member survey .<BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<BR><BR>Begin forwarded message:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><B><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>From: <?/color></B>Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA <john.fuqua@eglin.af.mil><BR><B><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Date: <?/color></B>November 14, 2003 8:49:15 AM PST<BR><B><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>To: <?/color></B>"'Ron Van Putte'" <vanputte@cox.net><BR><B><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Cc: <?/color></B>"'Tony Stillman'" <tony@radiosouthrc.com><BR><B><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Subject: <?/color>RE: Rule Change Survey Results<BR></B><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>OK. This was the result of a personal initiative to submit Discussion List discussion to me and it is not a official NSRCA input. Duly noted. I choose not to forward THAT to the board. Again, I will forward an NSRCA input on the rules proposals should I receive one.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR> <BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param
0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>John<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?smaller>-----Original Message-----<?/smaller><BR><B><?smaller>From:<?/smaller></B><?smaller>Ron Van Putte [mailto:vanputte@cox.net]<?/smaller><BR><B><?smaller>Sent:<?/smaller></B><?smaller>Friday, November 14, 2003 10:41 AM<?/smaller><BR><B><?smaller>To:<?/smaller></B><?smaller>Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA<?/smaller><BR><B><?smaller>Subject:<?/smaller></B><?smaller>Re: Rule Change Survey Results<?/smaller><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Nov 14, 2003, at 8:26 AM, Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>Do not know what precipitated this particular input, but I do not want to get into piecemeal NSRCA inputs to the Board. If NSRCA wants to provide a comprehensive reccommendation on all proposals, I will forward it to the Board.<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>It was the topic of considerable discussion on the NSRCA Discussion List. It was suggested that the results of the survey be forwarded
to the Board and I agreed to do it.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Ron<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>-----Original Message-----<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>From: Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:21 AM<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>To: 'Ron Van Putte'<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>Cc: 'Tony Stillman'<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>Subject: RE: Rule Change Survey Results<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>From 2002. An old survey before the rules proposals were available to the membership. In my mind I am not sure it is still valid. Do not think there was a "2004" survey or 2003 for that matter.<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>John<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><?smaller>-----Original Message-----<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>From: Ron Van Putte [<?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE>mailto:vanputte@cox.net<?/color>]<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:16 AM<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>To: Fuqua John D Contr
AAC/YAA<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>Cc: discussion@nsrca.org; Tony Stillman<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>Subject: Rule Change Survey Results<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>John - I have agreed to forward the results of an NSRCA survey on the<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>takeoff/landing rule change proposal, which were extracted from a 2002<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>K-Factor. Here they are:<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><?smaller>"This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted on<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><?smaller>Question-10<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>YES = 152____ NO = 26_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE____<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>Question-16<?/smaller>
<BR><BR><?smaller>Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>YES = 156____ NO = 25_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE____<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>Question-19<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>YES = 135____ NO = 39_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE____<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>Question-24<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>YES = 106____ NO = 60_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE____<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored. The vote<?/smaller>
<BR><BR><?smaller>weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both to<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>be scored."<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>As R/C Aerobatics Contest Board chairman, please distribute the results<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>to the other board members prior to the final vote on this proposal.<?/smaller> <BR><BR><BR><BR><?smaller>Ron Van Putte<?/smaller> <BR><BR><?smaller>NSRCA vice president<?/smaller> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><p><hr SIZE=1>
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