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You said it in a lot nicer way than I Lance. Thanks!!!!
<p>Lance Van Nostrand wrote:
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<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>I
wonder now if Georgie is right in his assessment of the politics.
This is an amazingly odd comment by the chairman of the contest board about
the NSRCA rules survey:</font></font> "From 2002. An old
survey before the rules proposals were available to the membership.
In my mind I am not sure it is still valid. Do not think there was
a "2004" survey or 2003 for that matter.<?/smaller>
<br>John<?/smaller><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>As we have learned
the hard way, the voting occurring this April 2004 is based on rules proposals
wording finalized in Sept 2002 and that were approved in July 2003 to be
on the ballot in April 2004. Any member surveys after Sept 2002 are
moot. We shouldn't discount the survey since it is the only official
accounting of member opinion collected before the cutoff. The April
vote is the opportunity to determine if the proper proposals made long
ago should become rules.</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>
If John feels the 2002 survey is no longer valid, on what is he basing
that opinion? Seems to me all the evidence shows that the 2002 survey
results are still valid.</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>--Lance</font></font>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>
<div
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net" title="vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</a></div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a></div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 14, 2003 11:05
AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Fwd: Rule Change Survey Results</div>
NSRCA Discussion List members: For your information, below is an
interchange I had this morning with John Fuqua, R/C Aerobatics contest
board chairman regarding potential takeoff/landing rule changes, extracted
from the 2002 NSRCA member survey .
<p>Ron Van Putte
<p>Begin forwarded message:
<br>
<blockquote><b><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>From: <?/color></b>Fuqua
John D Contr AAC/YAA <john.fuqua@eglin.af.mil>
<br><b><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Date: <?/color></b>November
14, 2003 8:49:15 AM PST
<br><b><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>To: <?/color></b>"'Ron Van
Putte'" <vanputte@cox.net>
<br><b><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Cc: <?/color></b>"'Tony
Stillman'" <tony@radiosouthrc.com>
<br><b><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>Subject: <?/color>RE: Rule
Change Survey Results</b>
<p><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>OK.
This was the result of a personal initiative to submit Discussion List
discussion to me and it is not a official NSRCA input. Duly
noted. I choose not to forward THAT to the board.
Again, I will forward an NSRCA input on the rules proposals should I receive
one.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily>
<p><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?smaller>John<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily>
<br><?smaller>-----Original Message-----<?/smaller>
<br><b><?smaller>From:<?/smaller></b><?smaller>Ron Van Putte [<A HREF="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">mailto:vanputte@cox.net</A>]<?/smaller>
<br><b><?smaller>Sent:<?/smaller></b><?smaller>Friday, November
14, 2003 10:41 AM<?/smaller>
<br><b><?smaller>To:<?/smaller></b><?smaller>Fuqua John D Contr
AAC/YAA<?/smaller>
<br><b><?smaller>Subject:<?/smaller></b><?smaller>Re: Rule Change
Survey Results<?/smaller>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<p>On Nov 14, 2003, at 8:26 AM, Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA wrote:
<br>
<br>
<p><?smaller>Do not know what precipitated this particular input, but
I do not want to get into piecemeal NSRCA inputs to the Board. If
NSRCA wants to provide a comprehensive reccommendation on all proposals,
I will forward it to the Board.<?/smaller>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<p>It was the topic of considerable discussion on the NSRCA Discussion
List. It was suggested that the results of the survey be forwarded to the
Board and I agreed to do it.
<br>
<br>
<p>Ron
<br>
<br>
<br>
<p><?smaller>-----Original Message-----<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>From: Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:21 AM<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>To: 'Ron Van Putte'<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>Cc: 'Tony Stillman'<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>Subject: RE: Rule Change Survey Results<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>From 2002. An old survey before the rules proposals
were available to the membership. In my mind I am not sure it is
still valid. Do not think there was a "2004" survey or 2003 for that
matter.<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>John<?/smaller>
<br>
<p><?smaller>-----Original Message-----<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>From: Ron Van Putte [<?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><A HREF="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">mailto:vanputte@cox.net</A><?/color>]<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:16 AM<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>To: Fuqua John D Contr AAC/YAA<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>Cc: discussion@nsrca.org; Tony Stillman<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>Subject: Rule Change Survey Results<?/smaller>
<br>
<br>
<p><?smaller>John - I have agreed to forward the results of an NSRCA
survey on the<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>takeoff/landing rule change proposal, which were extracted
from a 2002<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>K-Factor. Here they are:<?/smaller>
<br>
<p><?smaller>"This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey,
voted on<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.<?/smaller>
<br>
<p><?smaller>Question-10<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>YES = 152____
NO = 26_____ RESULT
= NO CHANGE____<?/smaller>
<br>
<br>
<p><?smaller>Question-16<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>YES = 156____
NO = 25_____ RESULT
= NO CHANGE____<?/smaller>
<br>
<br>
<p><?smaller>Question-19<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>YES = 135____
NO = 39_____ RESULT
= NO CHANGE____<?/smaller>
<br>
<br>
<p><?smaller>Question-24<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>YES = 106____
NO = 60_____ RESULT
= NO CHANGE____<?/smaller>
<br>
<br>
<p><?smaller>As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored.
The vote<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for
them both to<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>be scored."<?/smaller>
<br>
<br>
<p><?smaller>As R/C Aerobatics Contest Board chairman, please distribute
the results<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>to the other board members prior to the final vote on this
proposal.<?/smaller>
<br>
<br>
<p><?smaller>Ron Van Putte<?/smaller>
<p><?smaller>NSRCA vice president<?/smaller></blockquote>
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