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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill:<BR><BR>I understand that. That's what I
meant. You were able to beat them over the head with a 2 x 4 and get them
to see it your way. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We tried the same approach with this annex thing
Ron is talking about, and were told to stop dead in our tracks.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even though I am the President of NSRCA, I don't
think I have the power to tell the AMA Executive Council to "see it our way or
we walk"! Now, if that's what the membership wants us to do, we will do
that. But not without first making sure everyone knows what the cost will
be. It will take a bunch of people to step up and get serious.
It's pretty easy to type notes to this list, but much more difficult to decide
to do everything ourselves. It can be done, however. It has been
done in the past. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't like the direction AMA is taking any better
than any of you....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Am I getting a signal from this mailing list that
we need to remove ourselves from AMA and do everything ourselves?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=billglaze@triad.rr.com href="mailto:billglaze@triad.rr.com">Bill
Glaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:49
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Bigger issues--Long as usual
from me</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Tony:<BR>Not true about the "annex" system; in fact, AMA
intended to put IMAC on a 3 year cycle change to "regulate" our change
of maneuver schedules.<BR>The BOD of IMAC felt that if AMA was allowed
to do this, it would rip the guts out of what IMAC stood for. And it
would have. That is what started the entire rebellion. As soon as
we realized what they were trying to do, (put our flight schedules AND our
rules changes on a 3 year basis, like NSRCA has to put up with now) we got our
wake up call and put our collective heads together. Then, other good
things began to happen also. Like training a mule: first, find a
good piece of 4 X 4............<BR><BR>Bill Glaze<BR><BR><BR><BR>Tony
Stillman wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid002a01c3aebd$e79cc9d0$6401a8c0@tony type="cite"><PRE wrap="">John:
IMAC is not out of the control of AMA. They are a SIG, just like us.
However, they put in an annex maneuver system from the start, so they could
change schedules as they wanted. We received quite a bit more trouble from
the Contest Board when we wanted to install an Annex. It has not been
approved yet, but I think it will pass this time.
We can get things passed as emergency rule changes, should that need to
happen. Otherwise, we are in the control of AMA, who sets the rules.
Yes, it is a very slow system, but unless we completely break away from AMA,
we will have to work to change what we have now. Most people flying pattern
now have NO IDEA how much work it was to put on N-PAC's!
Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
<A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A>
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ferrell" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net"><johnferrell@earthlink.net></A>
To: <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org"><discussion@nsrca.org></A>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Bigger issues--Long as usual from me
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">RE:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">The first contests with the current rules changes were in 2002 yet
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->8months
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">later the changes for the next cycle were due.....How can this be
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">evaluated
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">properly...I submit that it can't be properly evaluated. I know the
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->NSRCA
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">needs to be involved in the rules process.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">I do not propose anarchy, but I do think we need to do a reality check on
the subject. I know that IMAC is a dirty word here but when it comes to
competition they are leading the way. While we are looking at lead times
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->in
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">the area of many years, they are making box dimension adjustments in real
time. They tweak and try changes and the world does not end.
The AMA relationship to competition is changing from promotion of
competition to tolerating it. They are about one step away from forbidding
it. I cannot understand the reluctance of NSRCA to declare independence in
the same manner as the IMAC folks.
Both organizations are recognizing that the high dollar airplanes are
driving the membership numbers at the moment. It is a real problem. If and
when the IMAC starts promoting a set of classes limited to 80 inch
airplanes, pattern as we know it will be threatened. The real problem is
that it will take this discipline five years or more to respond to the
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->"IMAC
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Competition"!
Will Rogers said: "You have a choice. You can either deal with things as
they are or you can deal with things as they are not"!
John Ferrell
6241 Phillippi Rd
Julian NC 27283
Phone: (336)685-9606
<A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">johnferrell@earthlink.net</A>
Dixie Competition Products
NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW
"My Competition is Not My Enemy"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Newman" <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:troy_newman@msn.com"><troy_newman@msn.com></A>
To: <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org"><discussion@nsrca.org></A>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Bigger issues--Long as usual from me
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">I'm not condemning your actions or the actions of anyone else....Rather
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">I'm
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">saying the current process is poor.
Its long and drawn out...I also know that the process caught us off
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->guard
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">this past cycle. There were so many huge changes the time before...We
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->were
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">still waiting for them to take effect. By the time the next cycle came
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->up
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">it
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">seems like there is a very short time to evaluate the changes made the
previous cycle...as in less than a single seasons flying and yet the CB
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">and
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">the AMA process takes 2+ years to do its work....
The first contests with the current rules changes were in 2002 yet
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->8months
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">later the changes for the next cycle were due.....How can this be
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap="">evaluated
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">properly...I submit that it can't be properly evaluated. I know the
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->NSRCA
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">needs to be involved in the rules process.
Just think we could do something better that's all.
TN
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