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Tony:<br>
I don't feel it necessary to totally break away from AMA. They have
been useful in the past, and still can be in the future, should they
decide to be so. At the least, they are a great secondary insurance
company, for those who either can't, or do not wish to, carry a large
liability policy. And, it is only reasonable, as either a carrier or
carrier's agent, that they have a say on safety related items. (My
opinion.) They coordinate with the international community for
competitions, etc. and work on frequency, noise, etc. Nobody would
gainsay that. A total breakaway would cost much to both sides.<br>
IMAC, (of which I was a board member when we achieved independence over
many of our own matters) merely showed that AMA could either go with,
and assist this progressive group, or, they could continue to be part
of the problem. Basically, it was going to be a situation where we
were going to do those things for which IMAC was created, or, there
wouldn't be an IMAC that any of us in the SIG wanted to be a part of.
The situation was intolerable. It was rectified by a group of resolute
folks who wanted results, and would not settle for the same old stale
reasons of "1) we can't do it that way; 2) we don't do it that way, 3)
it's never been done that way before, etc." So, the new kid on the
block got some attention. And, the sky didn't fall. <br>
All for now; gotta rush. (Weather's too bad for flying, go to catch up
on some stuff so I can fly when and if the weather permits).<br>
<br>
Bill Glaze<br>
<br>
Tony Stillman wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">John:
IMAC is not out of the control of AMA. They are a SIG, just like us.
However, they put in an annex maneuver system from the start, so they could
change schedules as they wanted. We received quite a bit more trouble from
the Contest Board when we wanted to install an Annex. It has not been
approved yet, but I think it will pass this time.
We can get things passed as emergency rule changes, should that need to
happen. Otherwise, we are in the control of AMA, who sets the rules.
Yes, it is a very slow system, but unless we completely break away from AMA,
we will have to work to change what we have now. Most people flying pattern
now have NO IDEA how much work it was to put on N-PAC's!
Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</a>
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From: "John Ferrell" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net"><johnferrell@earthlink.net></a>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org"><discussion@nsrca.org></a>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Bigger issues--Long as usual from me
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<pre wrap="">The first contests with the current rules changes were in 2002 yet
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<pre wrap="">later the changes for the next cycle were due.....How can this be
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<pre wrap="">properly...I submit that it can't be properly evaluated. I know the
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<pre wrap=""><!---->NSRCA
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<pre wrap="">needs to be involved in the rules process.
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<pre wrap="">I do not propose anarchy, but I do think we need to do a reality check on
the subject. I know that IMAC is a dirty word here but when it comes to
competition they are leading the way. While we are looking at lead times
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<pre wrap="">the area of many years, they are making box dimension adjustments in real
time. They tweak and try changes and the world does not end.
The AMA relationship to competition is changing from promotion of
competition to tolerating it. They are about one step away from forbidding
it. I cannot understand the reluctance of NSRCA to declare independence in
the same manner as the IMAC folks.
Both organizations are recognizing that the high dollar airplanes are
driving the membership numbers at the moment. It is a real problem. If and
when the IMAC starts promoting a set of classes limited to 80 inch
airplanes, pattern as we know it will be threatened. The real problem is
that it will take this discipline five years or more to respond to the
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<pre wrap=""><!---->"IMAC
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<pre wrap="">Competition"!
Will Rogers said: "You have a choice. You can either deal with things as
they are or you can deal with things as they are not"!
John Ferrell
6241 Phillippi Rd
Julian NC 27283
Phone: (336)685-9606
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">johnferrell@earthlink.net</a>
Dixie Competition Products
NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW
"My Competition is Not My Enemy"
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From: "Troy Newman" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:troy_newman@msn.com"><troy_newman@msn.com></a>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org"><discussion@nsrca.org></a>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Bigger issues--Long as usual from me
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<pre wrap="">I'm not condemning your actions or the actions of anyone else....Rather
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<pre wrap="">I'm
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<pre wrap="">saying the current process is poor.
Its long and drawn out...I also know that the process caught us off
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<pre wrap=""><!---->guard
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<pre wrap="">this past cycle. There were so many huge changes the time before...We
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<pre wrap="">still waiting for them to take effect. By the time the next cycle came
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<pre wrap="">it
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<pre wrap="">seems like there is a very short time to evaluate the changes made the
previous cycle...as in less than a single seasons flying and yet the CB
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<pre wrap="">and
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<pre wrap="">the AMA process takes 2+ years to do its work....
The first contests with the current rules changes were in 2002 yet
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<pre wrap=""><!---->8months
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<pre wrap="">later the changes for the next cycle were due.....How can this be
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<pre wrap="">properly...I submit that it can't be properly evaluated. I know the
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<pre wrap="">needs to be involved in the rules process.
Just think we could do something better that's all.
TN
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