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<DIV><SPAN class=658330304-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>They
did have a simulator-- full size, full motion. There is an article in Flying mag
and the reporter spent some time in it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658330304-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658330304-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
"replica" was very true to the original, as best anyone could tell (it was
crashed and trashed for parts by the Wrights). As everyone noticed, the Wrights
put more emphasis on control than stability. Extremely unstable. And
underpowered.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658330304-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658330304-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>In the
redeux, they were trying to reproduce the flight precisely, using a very
close replica aircraft. Take off at the same point, fly the same length,
put it back down at the same spot.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658330304-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=658330304-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Weather didn't cooperate. In 1903, the Wrights had a 29 mph
headwind. In 2003, it was drizzling with little wind that was a tail wind. Makes
a real difference!!! No pilot could have flown the original or the replica
successfully in those conditions. No fault of the engineers or the pilots--
just fate.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>JOddino<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:25 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Wright Flyer.<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can't believe they wouldn't have a good
simulation and therefore know it was going to fly before they spent all the
time and effort building it. Perhaps there is so little margin that if
the wind isn't within a very tight tolerance it won't fly. But they
should have known that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It seems to me if it had the proper airspeed and
angle of attack it would lift off. I'd love to see a failure analysis
performed like we used to do if a missile failed. Each engineer had to
prove his component or subsytem was not the cause. Guilty until proven
innocent.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now if you really want to stir things up, what if
the conclusion is the original didn't fly? I wouldn't be surprised
if the French are working on proving that right now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Eric.Henderson@gartner.com
href="mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com">Henderson,Eric</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:48
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Wright Flyer.</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=267084300-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
don't seem to be provoking the responses that I was looking for. (I have no
issue with the achievement or the replication).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=267084300-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=267084300-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>What I am really interested in the ways to get the plane to fly
better and if anyone saw it as a CG issue? I thought that the collective
knowledge pool in this list might have some ideas on fixing the flyability
issue.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=267084300-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=267084300-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=267084300-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=267084300-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Eric.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=267084300-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=267084300-19122003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Rcmaster199@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 18,
2003 7:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Wright Flyer.<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0
face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">In a message dated
12/18/2003 10:00:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, Eric.Henderson@gartner.com
writes:<BR><BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE">Subj:<B>Wright Flyer. </B><BR>Date:12/18/2003 10:00:06 AM
Eastern Standard Time<BR>From:<A
href="mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com">Eric.Henderson@gartner.com</A><BR>Reply-to:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>To:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><I>Sent
from the Internet </I><BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">I have been avidly following
the progress of the Wright Flyer replica. It's driving me nuts watching
them try to fly it. (Is there an aeronautical engineer on the project? -
looks a lot like pilots and carpenters)</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#0000ff size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT
lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">From where I sit, admittedly
in my arm chair, the thing looks, acts and flies very TAIL HEAVY!
</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12"
BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">The engines are behind the
CG on the wings. There's almost nothing up front to bring the CG to a
decent stable point. Am I off base here?</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#0000ff size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">Also I have meddled with
models of the plane a little. Wing warping that goes only goes down
induces worse wash-in at the slowest of speeds and is pretty nasty in the
model. Instead of lifting the wing it drags it back making the plane turn
adversely to the intended input. I know that they were trying to fly an
exact replica so they went with everything as true to history as possible,
but it is frustrating watching it struggle.</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#0000ff size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">Any thoughts,</FONT><FONT
lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#0000ff size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">Regards,</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#0000ff size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"
BACK="#ffffff"><BR>Eric.<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#0000ff size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT
lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff"><BR>ALL THE MORE REASON TO
MARVEL AT THE ORIGINAL ACCOMPLISHMENT<BR><BR>mattk</FONT>
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