<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Jeff or Nat, to prove the point or disprove it, it might be worthwhile to run a simple experiment. Add, say, 6-8 ounces of lead to one wheel pant to cause an assymetric
condition, and counter the out of balance condition with enough weight on the opposite wing tip. That much weight in the pant seems about right to simulate a skewed rather than orthogonal engine installation. Then get to the rolls, fast slow and everything in between. It would be interesting to see what you get<BR>
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Date:1/18/2004 2:23:30 PM Eastern Standard Time<BR>
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Well, while I agree it's not worth worrying about. I do believe that it wouldn't matter what orientation you mounted a single cylinder engine, there would be some manuevers affected. But, axial rolls in particular wouldn't matter.. Side, inverted, upright, from a mass distribution standpoint, the plane couldn't tell. It would only be some wierd progression type manuever (tumbles, etc).</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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<B>From:</B> <A HREF="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net">Nat Penton</A> <BR>
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The forces causing a non-axial roll occur only during the acceleration phases of the roll ( starting and stopping ). Undesireable forces are generated because masses at different distances from the roll axis experience different rates of acceleration. In practice I don't think we have a problem with the side-mounted engine. Would someone tell me where to find the Mars pictures. Voodoo</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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Too really have the minimal, an electric motor and batteries on the Cg running a driveshaft out to the nose would be the best solution. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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Jeff,</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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Though on a pattern plane, side mounted is just point of view. In knife edge an inverted engine is now side mounted. We're all going to have to go to twins to solve this issue!</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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<B>From:</B> <A HREF="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net">Nat Penton</A> <BR>
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<B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 16, 2004 6:01 PM<BR>
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Looking at the undesirable forces that would be generated by the assymetric distribution of weight to achieve lateral balance - hard yaw or tight corners would produce no effect because all components would be subject to the same acceleration. There would be an effect during roll, however, because the masses are subjected to different rates of acceleration (polar ) . Our planes damp and reach steady state roll rapidly . These unwanted roll forces would cause a change in pitch ( same as when one aileron has more throw ) during their short life . The magnitude of the pitch change would be hard to quantify ( by me </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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