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<DIV><FONT size=2>Eric,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm with yah on the plug and play. My OS 1.40 RX was as
easy to run as my OS .40 and .60. And it produces gobs of power, is smooth
and fuel efficient (with 15% fuel is cost effective too).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Wayne G.</FONT> </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Eric.Henderson@gartner.com
href="mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com">Henderson,Eric</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:56
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: mass opinions</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=762294417-22012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>My
observation is that the sponsored pilots get lots of spares. What this means
is that you only see the working stuff when they fly. Not that this is all
bad. They are on the bleeding-edge (not a miss-type). The time and effort that
they put in often gives us a better product. A good example being Chip and the
YS 1.40 and 1.60 DZ's. I am sure he cooked a few. He had prototypes with
blanking plates on old regulator openings etc, But we got new crankcases and
production product that was viable. The OS EFI "explorers" got us better
injectors so who cares if they had eight of them stripped and spread around
their hotel room.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=762294417-22012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>What I care most about is when the stuff gets too complex and only
the "few" can get them to work. There is an unseen line between
plug'n'play products that you take out of the box ready to use, and those that
require most our skill and knowledge to make viable. Where that line is
often depends upon the pioneers we all sponsor..</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=762294417-22012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=762294417-22012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><BR>Eric.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Keith
Black<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 22, 2004 12:43 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: mas opinions<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The reference selling that I laugh at the most is
when body builders or the skinny blonds promote the latest exercise or weight
loss gimmick. I'm sure that Hulk looking guy was as skinny as me before he got
the Bow Flex. Hey! I'm getting one too, next time you see me I'll look like
the Terminator!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In pattern flying the sponsored products don't
make the pilots great, but unlike the health infomercials at least they
usually use them.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keith Black</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=gfowler@raytheon.com href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E
Fowler</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:16
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: mas opinions</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Anthony</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>What Jason did is not what the normal sponsored pilot
does. <B>Most</B> sponsored pilots are flying the most expensive status quo,
taking minimal chances, devloping nothing and flying that particular
equipment because it is free or reduced in cost. I do not blame them...I
would love for someone to give me a case of servos. Those guys fly new
servos every year or less. Can you afford that? The main point is for
someone NOT at their flying skill (that is the REST of us) you absolutely do
not need that 1.4 or 1.6 DZ to win. </FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>You even stated how much power a plane you test flew had. There are
several engines that can give you that at half the price of the 1.6 DZ. The
qualities offerd by this 1.6DZ other than top RPM at this high price
are not utilized by the Intermediate, Advanced or even some Masters
pilots.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>The 402 and 403 guys would
be better off investing that excess cash in a cheaper rig and fuel-even
though there may not be a sponsored pilot flying that set up.</FONT>
<BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Sorry for beating this into the ground and
I know that sponsorship sells equipment...For me I do not take such bait,
but I do listen to others opinions and make decisions based on what I
hear-repeatably. But even that can be a quagmire as a lot of people simply
repeat what the heard as fact, and during a conversation over a beer ( D6
requirement) it is tough to separate fact from fiction.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>This thread ends for me as it started-if you are a
newer guy please do not think that you need this huge budget for all this
sponsored pilot gear to get into and improve at flying
pattern.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Principal Chemical
Engineer<BR>Composites Engineering</FONT> <BR><BR><BR>
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<TD><FONT face=sans-serif size=1><B>Anthony Abdullah
<aabdu@sbcglobal.net></B></FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=1>Sent by: discussion-request@nsrca.org</FONT>
<P><FONT face=sans-serif size=1>01/22/2004 07:39 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=1>Please respond to discussion</FONT> <BR></P>
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To: discussion@nsrca.org</FONT> <BR><FONT
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Subject: Re: mas
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face="Times New Roman" size=3>Gray,</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>I agree completely with your points. People often make purchasing
decisions with no idea of the hard work and growing pains that the winning
sponsored pilot has gone through. The fact remains that two things
happen.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>1. People buy equipment based on
what a winning sponsored pilot uses.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>2. The
sponsored pilot proves that the equipment is valid and can be used
consistantly to win at the very highest level. </FONT><BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>They pave the way for new thinking and help us decide how to spend
out limited hobby dollar. If you go out and drop a big chunk of change on
the electric rig, but can only get three minute flights out of it, you can
be fairly sure that you are the problem and not the equipment.
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