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Good thinking. I have also been practicing the 45 down snap as an
integrated figure of the Intermediate schedule, and, considering that
it is the figure that follows an altitude building Immelman, it is
certainly possible to get high enough to remove most of the "pucker
factor." It also puts one in a more advantageous position for landing,
eliminating the necessity for "stooging around" to enter a downwind leg.<br>
Just my opinion.<br>
Bill Glaze<br>
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Rodney Tanner wrote:<br>
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<div>Alan,</div>
<div>Let´s not forget that the 45 down, positive snap was originally
included in the proposed Intermediate schedule and if I remember
rightly, was approved. A group of well meaning but, IMHO, misguided
people appealed to the rules body to have that and the preceding
immelman removed for ¨safety reasons¨. So we lost two maneuvers, as
nobody thought of adding a substitute.</div>
<div>I have been flying Intermediate for two years and am just moving
up to Advanced where (horror of horrors) you have an inverted down 45
with a snap. Most of the time I still practiced Intermediate with the
snap anyway, to learn a maneuver that is going to be important later.
Obviously, one starts with level snaps and then progress to the 45 down
with a snap. It takes some practice, you don´t just go out and crack it
first time. (An IMAC habit!) </div>
<div>Ask the any Intermediate pilot and I think the majority will be
in favor of reintroducing the snap. The classes are progressive and
require new trimming skills and flying skills, thats what it´s all
about. :-)</div>
<div>Show a Sportsman pilot the Intermediate schedule for the first
time and he probably won´t like the outside loop either, it takes time
and use of the rudder and throttle to get it right. Of course this will
be new to the Sportsman guy moving up, that is why he´s moving up, he
is ready for the challenge. </div>
<div>With the Cobra and Triangle there is a lot of emphasis in the
class on drawing a 45 deg. line. So the progression to a snap on the 45
down is a logical one and IMHO a necessary one, in preparation for the
Advanced class.</div>
<div>Respectfully,</div>
<div>Rodney</div>
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<b><i>Alan Hewson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:alan@countryworkshop.ca"><alan@countryworkshop.ca></a></i></b> wrote:</div>
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<div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Is this for
real?.......putting a 45ºdown positive snap into Intermediate????</font></div>
<div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Has anyone asked a
Sportsman pilot lately to point his plane downward at a 45º down
attitude, fly a straight line, DO A SNAP, fly more of a straight line,
and then pull to level flight?</font></div>
<div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">IMHO, if you are putting
that maneuver in Intermediate, you will be scaring off many potential
Intermediate flyers. I can only speak for myself, but, when I was at
that level, you could not have even paid me to do that. I had trouble
staying on the proper line doing a sequence of "Immelman....Outside
loop....Split S" (which was in the sequence at that time).</font></div>
<div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">I know that your decision
on this does not affect what I will be flying, BUT, it is something I
believe in passionately. I have been a member of the Canadian Precision
Aerobatics Committee for a few years and this type of scenario keeps
coming up. I think that most of us making decisions on these matters
have NOT flown in Intermediate for several years and we have forgotten
what it was like to step up to that level.</font></div>
<div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">PLEASE, go out,
yourselves, and talk to Sportsman flyers about this......Maybe even see
if they will try to fly the proposed sequence (or just this maneuver).</font></div>
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<div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Thanks to the supporters
of this list for creating a media where someone (like me) can send out
an opinion (like I just did) and none of you will be seeing me until
next summer when you will have forgotten all about this ( I
hope).......RUNNING FOR SHELTER.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Alan Hewson</font></div>
<div><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2">Thornton, Ontario, Canada</font></div>
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Re: Intermediate Class</div>
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As I understand it, this proposal is to reinstate 2 figures that were
dropped from the original proposal. I hope it passes the Board. BTW:
Anybody know when the vote is to be? I'm having one of Ron's senior
Moments<G> Bill Glaze<br>
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href="mailto:imarcnut@sbcglobal.net">imarcnut@sbcglobal.net</a> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Last year I heard a rumor that
the Intermediate class would be adding 2 more maneuvers at the end of
the program this up coming year. The immelman turn followed by a 45
deg down line with a positive snap on center.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Is there any truth to this?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Gary "imarcnut" Russell</font></div>
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