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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#008080 size=2>Thanks for
clarifying Eric. My memory was beginning to have doubts if I did recall it
correctly.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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NSRCA - 473</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Eric.Henderson@gartner.com
href="mailto:Eric.Henderson@gartner.com">Henderson,Eric</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Artistic Aerobatics</DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Henderson,Eric
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:02 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:'discussion@nsrca.org'">'discussion@nsrca.org'</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: Artistic Aerobatics<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bill,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> I'll take one more
crack at explaining this.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>1.
The AMA cycle is takes three years between each normal change submission.
(There can be emergency and urgent proposals if there is a safety or critical
issue that needs solving).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>2.
Change submissions have to be submitted two years-plus before they can
actually be implemented.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>3.
The NSRCA does surveys to get votes on changes from the NSRCA membership.
These surveys are also done approximately on a three year cycle. The
surveys can occur almost three years in advance of an NSRCA submission to
the AMA Contest board.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>4.
To be ready for an AMA cycle we have to work in advance of the final date for
change-submission. (The judging committee, for example, collect all
rules issues for just such an opportunity)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>5.
The submission date for 2005-2007 changes was Fall 2002.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><STRONG>To make NSRCA proposals we take votes on many questions so we
can represent our membership accurately</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Back
in the 1999/2000 NSRCA survey asked when we should change the
routines. It said change them all this "one big time" and then just change
Masters.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Bound by the 2002 Survey we made a set of three
new Masters schedules for you all to choose one from.</FONT> <FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The membership had said no to changing 401-403
on this three year frequency so we had no directive to propose any
new ones. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
2002 survey asked many questions. All questions that came to me were
included. Many had been asked before, including the 401-403 change
frequency for schedules. Less than ten days after the results were tabulated
all changes were submitted to the AMA. (You could not possibly develop and
survey 401-403 changes in that time frame.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
next window to change 401-403 is around 2006-7 to get 2008 changes
implemented. A survey is probably required to get an NSRCA vote and a lot of
new schedules need to be prepared and tested etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>One
comment:- It is very easy to have and idea and it can certainly be frustrating
when you find out how long it will take to get, what just seems plain common
sense, to be implemented. I hope that you can now get a sense of how much work
and effort, combined with a high degree of fortitude, is required to just get
one change done, let alone a series of major changes. I gratefully
remember a lot of good people, and I must point out that they were from all of
the classes, who put many hours into getting the 2002 routines
produced. They never gave up, and even when their schedules did not get
selected they stayed with their teams and never quit. It was a privilege to
work with them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=912041203-25012004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Eric.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=912041203-25012004> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Bill
Glaze<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:17 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Artistic
Aerobatics<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>Thanks, Eric, and you're correct in that
I don't understand why all the AMA classes cannot be treated under the same
rules/time schedules. Or, put another way, I am having trouble seeing
how/why AMA procedures create a rift in classes.<BR>And, not to belabor the
point, I fail to see why, if schedules had been submitted for all classes at
the same time, that new schedules couldn't have been adopted in the same time
frame.<BR>As far as the Annex goes, while it may seem to be a panacea,
(and I am all for the Annex) it seems to me that a mindset that will make
equal all the schedules (and those flying them) will still be required.
To date, I have yet to see that mindset in the words and deeds of the
Masters/FAI flyers whose prominence seems to dictate to the lower
classes. Possibly this is inevitable; I don't know. And, maybe I'm
wrong. I would sure like to be proven so. BTW: I'm not trying to
start a class war here; just trying to improve the sport. Possibly we
can regain some of the membership that we have lost over the past few
years.<BR>Bill Glaze<BR><BR>Henderson,Eric wrote:<BR>
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