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Eric:<br>
Once again, a good explanation of just what went on. It also explains
Tony's statement written to me that "there wasn't enough time" to get
schedules changed for the other classes.<br>
As you have stated, it's obvious that the AMA procedures are the
stumbling block, not the NSRCA folks. My confidence is
renewed!<G><br>
Now, onward and upward, to where the pattern community has more control
over it's activities.<br>
Short story; please bear with me. <br>
A few years ago, it developed that the folks in Scale Aerobatics were
very unhappy with a maneuver in Advanced. Lots of complaining, by the
affected flyers.<br>
So, a poll was taken about what to do, and what to substitute. A
substitution was found, agreed upon by the affected class flyers, and
implemented.<br>
The changes were made at the NEXT contest in mid-season. The members
could have, and would have, changed their entire schedule in every
class, if needed, in the same time frame.<br>
I have a dream......................................<br>
<br>
Bill Glaze<br>
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Henderson,Eric wrote:<br>
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face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> Henderson,Eric <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a>'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Artistic Aerobatics<br>
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<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">Bill,</font></span></div>
<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2"> I'll take one more crack at
explaining this.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">1. The AMA cycle is takes three years between
each normal change submission. (There can be emergency and urgent
proposals if there is a safety or critical issue that needs solving).</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">2. Change submissions have to be submitted
two years-plus before they can actually be implemented.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">3. The NSRCA does surveys to get votes on
changes from the NSRCA membership. These surveys are also done
approximately on a three year cycle. The surveys can occur almost three
years in advance of an NSRCA submission to the AMA Contest board.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">4. To be ready for an AMA cycle we have to
work in advance of the final date for change-submission. (The judging
committee, for example, collect all rules issues for just such an
opportunity)</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">5. The submission date for 2005-2007 changes
was Fall 2002.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2"><strong>To make NSRCA proposals we take votes
on many questions so we can represent our membership accurately</strong></font></span></div>
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<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">Back in the 1999/2000 NSRCA survey asked when
we should change the routines. It said change them all this "one big
time" and then just change Masters.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">Bound by the 2002 Survey we made a set of
three new Masters schedules for you all to choose one from.</font> <font
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">The membership had said no to
changing 401-403 on this three year frequency so we had no directive to
propose any new ones. </font></span></div>
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<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">The 2002 survey asked many questions. All
questions that came to me were included. Many had been asked before,
including the 401-403 change frequency for schedules. Less than ten
days after the results were tabulated all changes were submitted to the
AMA. (You could not possibly develop and survey 401-403 changes in that
time frame.)</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">The next window to change 401-403 is around
2006-7 to get 2008 changes implemented. A survey is probably required
to get an NSRCA vote and a lot of new schedules need to be prepared and
tested etc.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">One comment:- It is very easy to have and
idea and it can certainly be frustrating when you find out how long it
will take to get, what just seems plain common sense, to be
implemented. I hope that you can now get a sense of how much work and
effort, combined with a high degree of fortitude, is required to just
get one change done, let alone a series of major changes. I gratefully
remember a lot of good people, and I must point out that they were from
all of the classes, who put many hours into getting the 2002 routines
produced. They never gave up, and even when their schedules did not get
selected they stayed with their teams and never quit. It was a
privilege to work with them.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">Regards,</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="912041203-25012004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">Eric.</font></span></div>
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<div><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><span
class="912041203-25012004"> </span>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">discussion-request@nsrca.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org">mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org</a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Glaze<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Artistic Aerobatics<br>
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Thanks, Eric, and you're correct in that I don't understand why all the
AMA classes cannot be treated under the same rules/time schedules. Or,
put another way, I am having trouble seeing how/why AMA procedures
create a rift in classes.<br>
And, not to belabor the point, I fail to see why, if schedules had been
submitted for all classes at the same time, that new schedules couldn't
have been adopted in the same time frame.<br>
As far as the Annex goes, while it may seem to be a panacea, (and I am
all for the Annex) it seems to me that a mindset that will make equal
all the schedules (and those flying them) will still be required. To
date, I have yet to see that mindset in the words and deeds of the
Masters/FAI flyers whose prominence seems to dictate to the lower
classes. Possibly this is inevitable; I don't know. And, maybe I'm
wrong. I would sure like to be proven so. BTW: I'm not trying to
start a class war here; just trying to improve the sport. Possibly we
can regain some of the membership that we have lost over the past few
years.<br>
Bill Glaze<br>
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