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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think CDs should add these two back in as
modifications in their sanction applications. They would need to advertise
the mod on web sites and flyers. At least than the intermediates would get
a fly some scored snaps before they more up.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>randy</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=billglaze@triad.rr.com href="mailto:billglaze@triad.rr.com">Bill
Glaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:26
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Intermediate Class</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Good thinking. I have also been practicing the 45 down
snap as an integrated figure of the Intermediate schedule, and, considering
that it is the figure that follows an altitude building Immelman, it is
certainly possible to get high enough to remove most of the "pucker
factor." It also puts one in a more advantageous position for landing,
eliminating the necessity for "stooging around" to enter a downwind
leg.<BR>Just my opinion.<BR>Bill Glaze<BR><BR>Rodney Tanner wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Alan,</DIV>
<DIV>Let´s not forget that the 45 down, positive snap was originally
included in the proposed Intermediate schedule and if I remember rightly,
was approved. A group of well meaning but, IMHO, misguided
people appealed to the rules body to have that and the
preceding immelman removed for ¨safety reasons¨. So we lost two maneuvers,
as nobody thought of adding a substitute.</DIV>
<DIV>I have been flying Intermediate for two years and am just moving
up to Advanced where (horror of horrors) you have an inverted down 45 with a
snap. Most of the time I still practiced Intermediate with the snap
anyway, to learn a maneuver that is going to be important later.
Obviously, one starts with level snaps and then progress to the 45
down with a snap. It takes some practice, you don´t just go out and crack it
first time. (An IMAC habit!) </DIV>
<DIV>Ask the any Intermediate pilot and I think the majority will be in
favor of reintroducing the snap. The classes are progressive and
require new trimming skills and flying skills, thats what it´s all about.
:-)</DIV>
<DIV>Show a Sportsman pilot the Intermediate schedule for the first time and
he probably won´t like the outside loop either, it takes time and use
of the rudder and throttle to get it right. Of course this will be new to
the Sportsman guy moving up, that is why he´s moving up, he is ready
for the challenge. </DIV>
<DIV>With the Cobra and Triangle there is a lot of emphasis in the
class on drawing a 45 deg. line. So the progression to a snap on the 45 down
is a logical one and IMHO a necessary one, in preparation for the Advanced
class.</DIV>
<DIV>Respectfully,</DIV>
<DIV>Rodney</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><B><I>Alan Hewson <A class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href="mailto:alan@countryworkshop.ca"><alan@countryworkshop.ca></A></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Is this for real?.......putting a
45ºdown positive snap into Intermediate????</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Has anyone asked a Sportsman pilot
lately to point his plane downward at a 45º down attitude, fly a straight
line, DO A SNAP, fly more of a straight line, and then pull to level
flight?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>IMHO, if you are putting that
maneuver in Intermediate, you will be scaring off many potential
Intermediate flyers. I can only speak for myself, but, when I was at that
level, you could not have even paid me to do that. I had trouble
staying on the proper line doing a sequence of "Immelman....Outside
loop....Split S" (which was in the sequence at that time).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>I know that your decision on this
does not affect what I will be flying, BUT, it is something I
believe in passionately. I have been a member of the Canadian
Precision Aerobatics Committee for a few years and this type of scenario
keeps coming up. I think that most of us making decisions on these matters
have NOT flown in Intermediate for several years and we have
forgotten what it was like to step up to that level.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>PLEASE, go out, yourselves,
and talk to Sportsman flyers about this......Maybe even see if they will
try to fly the proposed sequence (or just this maneuver).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Thanks to the supporters of this
list for creating a media where someone (like me) can send out an opinion
(like I just did) and none of you will be seeing me until next summer when
you will have forgotten all about this ( I hope).......RUNNING FOR
SHELTER.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Alan Hewson</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Thornton, Ontario,
Canada</FONT></DIV>
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Friday, January 23, 2004 11:57 PM</DIV>
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Re: Intermediate Class</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>As I understand it, this proposal is to reinstate 2
figures that were dropped from the original proposal. I hope it
passes the Board. BTW: Anybody know when the vote is to be?
I'm having one of Ron's senior Moments<G> Bill
Glaze<BR><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:imarcnut@sbcglobal.net">imarcnut@sbcglobal.net</A>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Last year I heard a rumor that the
Intermediate class would be adding 2 more maneuvers at the end of the
program this up coming year. The immelman turn followed by a 45
deg down line with a positive snap on center.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is there any truth to this?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gary "imarcnut"
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