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<DIV><SPAN class=114305017-10032004>Hi Earl,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=114305017-10032004>Actually, as vague as the verbage sounds, I
am pleased to see it. It's a step in the right direction, and my general
principle when writing a rule is to NOT specify something that does not
ncessarily need to be specified. Many style differences live in this
space.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=114305017-10032004>The rulebook need to center the maneuver on
its defined center point, and the common sense desire to make both
"ends" of the maneuver be the same distance from the box center dictate
that the roll rates of a maneuver like the 4 of 8/slow roll opposite should have
different rates. Would you prefere that the maneuver description specifies a
matched total time for the point roll and continuos roll parts? When I mis-match
my roll rates to do this maneuver, I can tell you that I will be trying to match
the total time of the two halves, for pacing. </SPAN><SPAN
class=114305017-10032004>(I am a slave to Waltz timing!)</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=114305017-10032004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=114305017-10032004>In a maneuver like the square, it appeals to
"common sense" even more that the 2 of 4 should take the same total time as the
halves. The point rolls will have much faster roll rates, except
for the guy whose style is to barely hesitate on the point rolls.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=114305017-10032004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=114305017-10032004>As for coming up with a distinguishing
definition for continuous versus point rolls, I have trouble too. Maybe we can
rely on the maneuver name: if it isn't a point or snap, it's
continuous. This raises a translation problem, for many, but that may not be
such a big issue. Of course, when a maneuver is named, you had better say what
you mean. Two halve rolls are different than a 2 of 2 if it relates to some
other maneuver element. ( We're getting legalistic, and something in me is
unhappy, even if I am satisfied with the logic) </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=114305017-10032004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=114305017-10032004>The lack of a proper centering criterion
(like AMA) for the spin is a simple mistake. Let's fix it.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=114305017-10032004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=114305017-10032004>Thanks fore asking and I hope my input is
helpful,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=114305017-10032004> Dean Pappas</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> EHaury@aol.com
[mailto:EHaury@aol.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:45
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> F3A
Definitions<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>A couple of interesting points from the current F3A rules. In
"Description of Manoeuvres" (5A.1.13) it states: "Where there is a combination
of continuous rolls and point rolls within a manoeuvre, the roll rate for the
point rolls does not necessarily have to be the same as the roll rate for the
continuous rolls."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Seems straight forward for a maneuver like "4 of 8, slow roll opposite."
But then, what's the definition of "continuous roll"? Is a half roll a
continuous roll, or a point roll (as in 2 of 2 for example)? In the first
case, in the sq. loop with 1/2 rolls & 2 of 4 rolls, each roll type could
be different rates. In the second, they would seem to all need to be the same,
or would they?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Also, there are several center maneuvers, (P-05.22, F-05..18 for example)
where there is a half roll on the exit. The maneuver descriptions state: "Exit
half roll is part of the manoeuvre."</DIV>
<DIV>This raises a center question, P-05.22 is the 2 turn opposite inverted
spin with a half roll exit. It appears, basis the judging note including the
roll exit, that the center is midpoint between the stall and the end of the
exit roll. (AMA defines the stall as center of the spin - no such language in
FAI.)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thoughts?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Earl</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>