<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Don't fret it so much Mike. Although I would agree that some can't seem to agree on the correct parameters to watch for, it isn't much different in full scale aerobatics. Those judges have just as hard a time as us and I don't see full scale throwing anything out any time soon. Quite the contrary. No, I'm not that interested in judging or flying full scale aerobatics, BUT I try to emulate their stuff.<BR>
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One of the key things I feel, is to have a model that has the capacity to do good snaps designed in. Many are not designed with snaps as the primary maneuver to be performed. Pattern models traditionally have been designed for smooth, graceful maneuvers, which typically means, smaller control surfaces. <BR>
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Times have changed; snaps do tend to require larger contorl surfaces to perform easily. That can be remedied when building the model. If a person doesn't build, that's a different story and he is at the mercy of the ARF maker and somebody else's idea of what it takes.<BR>
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FWIW, I don't know what they allowed at the World's, I wasn't there, but performing a snap that is essentially a fast axial roll, will earn you a goose egg from the top judges in this country.<BR>
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Earl Haury had a nice explanation on this list several months back and if you saved it, it's worth revisiting<BR>
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Date:4/12/2004 7:50:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time<BR>
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How can we have a maneuver in our sequence that we can't even agree upon? This debate is too hard to clearly answer. Is it a snap or a barrel roll? Was there a break in pitch or not? If it's a true snap than it must pitch,yaw and roll. Hmmm is that right? If it is than how would one achieve a perfect score because it would then have to deviate from the flight path. Hey how come so and so is doing crappy looking snaps that look like an axle roll scoring so much better than myself who is doing a true snap? <BR>
Bottom line is how am I suppose to judge it? We can't even get the judges at the World Championships to agree on it. I think that until the time comes that we can clearly understand it we have a huge problem. We should either come to a better understanding of the maneuver performed correctly or dump it.<BR>
But hey you might not agree in which case I still don't know how to judge you. Thanks, Mike<BR>
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