<DIV>I dunno,</DIV>
<DIV>It is all for fun, Im new to pattern and I just enjoy the social aspect and watching the studs perform right now so consider me a conscientious observer to this discussion. </DIV>
<DIV>But just for fun and the sake of discussion, heres my view. I will say that if a person scores an 8.5 on an avalanche which has a 3 K factor where it should have been a zero or significant downgrade at minimum in every round due to no break, or being a glorified high speed axial roll with a clean exit, but another person who does a slow snap roll with a perfect break and a 15degree heading correction gets a zero because its slow and easy to see MINOR heading and rotation corrections in every round or even a couple of rounds, then it could very well mean the difference between 1st and last place. The second competitor did a good snap but you could see the obvious errors for minimal downgrades but the 1st gets scored high because it looks good and its so fast you cant really tell for sure. </DIV>
<DIV>One thing I learned in judging school is that speed is not a scorable portion of a snap roll, only attitude break, conical rotation, under/overrotation and heading corrections are. </DIV>
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<DIV>You have to score higher K factor maneuvers CORRECTLY or someone is going to get shortchanged. The only saving grace I have seen in pattern is that frequently different judges score different rounds so things sortof even out. Im a rookie judge so I am one of the guys who is prone to make these sort of mistakes, but a veteran judge with incorrect preconceived notions who lets his own theories get between the rulebook and the scoresheet can be just as problematic.</DIV>
<DIV>Its sort of like MLB where Greg Maddux used to get 6" off the outside corner for a strike but the opposing pitcher didnt, just because he is Greg Maddux. Its only fair if everyone knows the rules and gets judged by the same, CORRECT criteria. </DIV>
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<DIV>Just for fun discussion, nothing personal. After all its only a hobby.Maybe I will learn something here. :)</DIV>
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<DIV>Mike<BR><BR><B><I>Patternrules@aol.com</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 4/13/2004 3:36:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time, BUDDYonRC@aol.com writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2>It is amazing how much discussion is stirred up due to mention of my recent dumb thumb activation of my snap switch. Looks like just the mention of the switch brought forward discussion which indicates the reality that in a lot of cases as I came to believe a long time ago that scoring at many contest's is a crap shoot and the best pilot doesn't necessarily win</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG> Well really Buddy this is all good we need to talk about this and the judging will get better because of it, I do believe that the best pilot is the winner at all contest because a contest isn't determined by one maneuver, We're all at time think that we should have won a round or contest, but then that is part of the competitive nature, makes us work harder, and yes your right there is always the great BS sessions and seeing old friends.</STRONG></DIV>
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