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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=356392303-14042004><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>Dennis,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=356392303-14042004><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>But, this is the only way to make sure the
judges "see" the break. The only way I avoided getting zeroed was to give full
elevator, then rudder and last aileron on the 45 down negative snap. At least
that is what I had to do with the focus.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=356392303-14042004><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=356392303-14042004><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff>--Gordon</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dennis
Cone<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Snaps<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Bookman Old Style'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Hang
in their Steve. Your right. If you change the pitch by adding elevator first
then it cannot be a simultaneous maneuver. It becomes one input followed by
another. There is no way this can be defined as simultaneous.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></I></SPAN></P>
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Cone<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></I></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>RC Steve Sterling<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:42
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
RE: Snaps</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Read my 2nd and 3rd
paragraphs. Certainly, the follow-on paragraphs still do not mention "before",
"prior", "do this first", it only says there must be a break on initiation. It
does not preclude the simultaneous autorotation.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sorry, you can't
redefine the word simultaneous.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>Patternrules@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:14
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
Re: Snaps</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
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face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In a message dated
4/13/2004 8:06:56 PM US Eastern Standard Time, rcsteve@tcrcm.org
writes:</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">NOWHERE does it use the
word "before" or "prior". It says</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">"Snap Roll is the
<STRONG><B>simultaneous</B></STRONG>, rapid autorotation in the pitch, yaw and
roll axes of flight...."</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
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face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Don't stop
reading as so many do, this is the next
sentence.</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><STRONG><B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><STRONG><B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> 1. Since the
maneuver is defined as a stall maneuver</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR><STRONG><B>(initiated
by a rapid stall of the wing induced</B></STRONG><BR><STRONG><B>by a change in
pitch attitude), the nose of the</B></STRONG><BR><STRONG><B>fuselage should show
a definite break from the</B></STRONG><BR><STRONG><B>flight path in the
direction of the snap (positive</B></STRONG><BR><STRONG><B>or negative) while
the track closely maintains</B></STRONG><BR><STRONG><B>the flight
path.</B></STRONG><BR><STRONG><B> </B></STRONG></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
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