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<DIV>In a message dated 4/13/2004 4:32:00 PM US Eastern Standard Time, mweast@prodigy.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I dunno,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It is all for fun, Im new to pattern and I just enjoy the social aspect and watching the studs perform right now so consider me a conscientious observer to this discussion. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>But just for fun and the sake of discussion, heres my view. I will say that if a person scores an 8.5 on an avalanche which has a 3 K factor where it should have been a zero or significant downgrade at minimum in every round due to no break, or being a glorified high speed axial roll with a clean exit, but another person who does a slow snap roll with a perfect break and a 15degree heading correction gets a zero because its slow and easy to see MINOR heading and rotation corrections in every round or even a couple of rounds, then it could very well mean the difference between 1st and last place. The second competitor did a good snap but you could see the obvious errors for minimal downgrades but the 1st gets scored high because it looks good and its so fast you cant really tell for sure. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>One thing I learned in judging school is that speed is not a scorable portion of a snap roll, only attitude break, conical rotation, under/overrotation and heading corrections are. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>You have to score higher K factor maneuvers CORRECTLY or someone is going to get shortchanged. The only saving grace I have seen in pattern is that frequently different judges score different rounds so things sortof even out. Im a rookie judge so I am one of the guys who is prone to make these sort of mistakes, but a veteran judge with incorrect preconceived notions who lets his own theories get between the rulebook and the scoresheet can be just as problematic.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Its sort of like MLB where Greg Maddux used to get 6" off the outside corner for a strike but the opposing pitcher didnt, just because he is Greg Maddux. Its only fair if everyone knows the rules and gets judged by the same, CORRECT criteria. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Just for fun discussion, nothing personal. After all its only a hobby.Maybe I will learn something here. :)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG> This is all true I was making generalization, on the other hand if I'm the only one doing the snap right doesn't mean that I'm the best pilot it maybe the only thing I do right, and again I say that these discussions are what will make a big difference, we'll never get 100% from judging what we are shooting for is better pilots better judging, as I have said more than once don't get so involved in the competition that you loose sight of the fun and enjoyment of getting together with friends, I have seen to many people get so eat up with winning that they end up dropping out, no matter what, your going to come out of this as a much better pilot.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT lang=0 face="Arial Baltic" size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"><B><I>Steve Maxwell</B></I></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>