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I agree Mike that it's a great debate, but we're getting to the point where
some of the less patient are going to start encouraging everyone to put
this thing to bed.
<br> I've loved it because I've gottten more technical stuff
printed out in the last few days than in quite a while. I love being able
to participate in a forum where I can dice with the really smart guys in
spite of the fact that I have no technical background. Man, I learn soooo.....
much. When I joined this list about 5 years ago I had an I.Q. of 56 and
now it's all the way up to 61. Where else can I go to make that kind of
progress?
<br>Georgie
<p>mike mueller wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> Del, I realize that flash cards would be tough
and that's why too many would resist it. What about flashing fingers.
I know for fact that it's easier than verbally telling the scribe. It serves
a function in that others can now judge the judging. How can we improve
if we can't even see what the scores are. I'm telling you that I feel strongly
that this system would help us alot. I'm hoping someone trys it. It'll
take someone to step up to the plate and try this method. It's super simple
and it works. Another added benefit of flashing scores is that you
can establish judging tendences. Judge A downgrades for in to close while
judge C like's them close. In the old days judges tendency's were studied
much like an umpire calling balls and strikes. Some umps call strikes on
lower pitches than others. Teams learn these tendencies and use them to
their advantage. Again last I checked I fly pattern for recreation.
Let's bring back some of the fun!
I still think it's a great debate. Mike
<p><b><i>"Del K. Rykert" <drykert@localnet.com></i></b> wrote:
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<b><font face="MS Sans Serif"><font size=-1>Mike..</font></font></b><b><font face="MS Sans Serif"><font size=-1>
I don't see how there is enough time while judging FAI to mess with flash
cards?</font></font></b> <b><font face="MS Sans Serif"><font size=-1>
del</font></font></b>
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NSRCA - 473</font></font></b>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>
<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com" title="mups1953@yahoo.com">mike mueller</a></div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org" title="discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a></div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:47
PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> A possible answer to lousy
judging "Flash cards"</div>
I propose that flash cards be brought back to judging. It would allow
judges to be critiqued by their peers. The way it works is the judge has
numbered flash cards on his lap. The scribe sits behind the judge and records
the data. Nothing new here but if a guy is scoring vanilla it will be detected.
If a guy is giving good scores to bad snaps it would give others the ability
to straighten him out. Flash cards worked in the old days and they are
sorely needed now. If you like the idea and your a CD it's as easy to try
as doing it. To the best of my knowledge there aren't any rules to stop
you. Flash cards made speculating more fun and was educational. Has
anyone done this in recent times? I'm searching
for an answer here. Do you have a better solution because if your leaving
it up to the good faith of others then you have what we have now? Human
nature always reverts back to the same bad habits no matter how much you
beat things into others. In the end it's a system that fails not humans.Edward
Deming stated that 85% of all failures are due to systems problems and
the remaining 15% are human. I believe he was correct. Our system is flawed
and it's keeping the sport back. I stated before that I don't like
contestant judging. On average the decline of pattern that started in the
mid 80's parallels the advent of this procedure. I realize that it's too
hard to fix it now but something has to change.It's pretty easy to experiment
with flash cards. I know from personal experience that it works and I can't
see why we got away from it. It's good to debate, Thanks, Mike Mueller
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