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<DIV>G I like the fact that you sign your initials on the score sheets. That is something that is very important. You will NOT find it at all contest. I request that the judges at any of my events sign there name on the score sheet. Yes, and then it happens. A question comes up and guess what. It just happens to be the unsigned sheet? Who was the judge?</DIV>
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<DIV>Defensive judging. I have sat with judges that gave out the same scores to just about everyone in the contest. That was not the true picture of the day.</DIV>
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<DIV> Some judges do not want to be responsible for the scores. They do not want to deal with the pilots reactions at a contest.</DIV>
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<DIV> I think they want to avoid the controversy and that's it! I would hope the reason is not so they would obtain better scores when they fly. That would be even more of a problem.</DIV>
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<DIV> Lets face it we are all spending a lot of time and money at these contest. Why bother at all if we are all going to play games with the scores. Any pilot who wants better scores from a friend is just wasting everyone's time.</DIV>
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<DIV>I like the idea of flash cards held up for the scribes. I have always thought that is the better way to go. We should really try it and see what the results would be. I admit there could be problems with this but we cant work them out till we try it.</DIV>
<DIV>See you at the contest</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 4/14/2004 4:30:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, seefo@san.rr.com writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT face=Arial>wrote:<BR><BR>> This is an interesting perspective, but I don't think I agree with it's<BR>> conclusion. Makes me think about all the times I've heard guys talk<BR>> about "it's the journey not the destination". I feel that contestant<BR>> judging is an improvement over club judges and recognize that there is<BR>> some personality bias involved, but I think it's quite limited.The<BR>> reason I say this is that when a contest ends I make it a point to<BR>> acquire my score sheets and I can usually remember who the judges were<BR>> for any given round and my experience has been that I usually find the<BR>> scores remarkably similar between guys that I feel probably don't like<BR>> me all that much and those that are friendly toward me.<BR>> I don't know if everybody does what I do or not, but when that<BR>> aircraft starts to roll, and I'm in the chair, I immediately go into a<BR>> mode where I become concious of the airplane and whoever is flying it is<BR>> the farthest thing from my mind.I have the feeling that almost everybody<BR>> does this, but then I've been known to be wrong.<BR>> As far as a stream of eights go, I score what the maneuver earns<BR>> according to my understanding of the regulations. Just as an example, at<BR>> last years Nats I was called upon to judge Advanced and on one<BR>> particular maneuver (I can't remember which) I awarded Charlie Rock a 2<BR>> and Charlie's wife was scribing for me.That's a terrific way to make two<BR>> enemies at one time. Further, every time I sit in the chair at local<BR>> contests I insist that my initials be written on the bottom of the score<BR>> sheet so that the guy that checks his score sheets knows exactly who it<BR>> was that gave him that paltry 3&1/2 for the humpty. All that being said,<BR>> I also award high scores if they are deserved. I remember giving Dave<BR>> Elsner a 10 for the 6 sided outside, and it was a K4 maneuver, but he<BR>> nailed it and there weren't many guys that were "on" on the timing on<BR>> that one.<BR>> I kinda feel like, if guys are going to hate me because of what I<BR>> score them it's probably not worth getting all that upset over it as I<BR>> only have a few more years to live anyhow and I think I would rather<BR>> enjoy what I've been given without a retaliatory mindset.There's just<BR>> too many guys in this hobby that are really great to waste energy on<BR>> those that are not.<BR>> G.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> mike mueller wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > Ok, this is the worst part of the problem with judging snaps, if you<BR>> > take a stand and decide to be the "snap policeman" then you run the<BR>> > risk of judges retaliation. Say your Bob the relatively new Advanced<BR>> > flyer and your judging Joe superstar FAI guy. He executes a snap<BR>> > that's thought by most to be pretty good because Joe performed it. You<BR>> > know better and think it didn't show a proper break in pitch, so you 0<BR>> > the maneuver. Dude are you kidding me? Word get's out that you gave<BR>> > Joe superstar a 0 and you have a bullseye on your back that may effect<BR>> > how others are going to judge you. Your stuck in the middle of a tough<BR>> > competition with your arch rival and can't afford the inevitable<BR>> > results. Who wants a reputation as a so called jerky judge especially<BR>> > one that can't fly nearly as well as "Joe"? Don't think for a second<BR>> > that this doesn't happen and happen all the time. Thus you get the<BR>> > guys that take the "SAFE" route and scores 7 and 8's on everything<BR>> > even though you know better. Then there's the guy that's competing<BR>> > against you judging in a defensive manner. Very few guys are willing<BR>> > to step on toes because they are worried about the consequences. I<BR>> > hate contestant judging because it's vanilla. Back when pattern was<BR>> > King we didn't allow it. When you held a contest you provided judges<BR>> > that didn't fly. In so many ways it was better. Given all that were<BR>> > stuck with it and it ain't changing anytime soon because we lack the<BR>> > numbers that we used to have. Houston we have a problem!!!!!!!! PS:<BR>> > This is not meant to hurt Joe's feelings, so don't take it too<BR>> > personally please. This is what makes judging snaps too hard for most<BR>> > of us. Oh ya am I guilty? In the past I would admit that it has played<BR>> > in to my thinking process. I wonder how many of you would admit to<BR>> > this fault. Have a nice day!! Mike<BR>> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> > Do you Yahoo!?<BR>> > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th<BR>> <BR><BR>=====================================<BR># To be removed from this list, go to http://www.nsrca.org/discussionA.htm<BR>and follow the instructions.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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