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<DIV><SPAN class=894523213-16042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Tony,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=894523213-16042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Yes an
interesting design problem, and I know that you have already hand flown one or
two ideas already! No?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=894523213-16042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tony Stillman
[mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 16, 2004 9:03
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Judge Training
/Contest Scoring<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dean:<BR><BR>This is a pretty good concept.
The scribe can then be used to "prompt" the judge to input a score, so one is
not left out. This was studied by NSRCA during my first term as
President several years ago. At the time, the equipment just did
not exist to do it. It is available now, but still pretty pricey.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As you say the unit with the "big buttons" would
be a challenge to design. It would be vital that the unit be designed so
a total novice could press the proper value button without looking at it the
very first time he/she tried it! That ain't easy!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean
Pappas</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:56
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Judge Training /Contest
Scoring</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Wayne,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
have actually given this some thought, recently. You need two connected
devices: the first is a ham-handed device that has a big button for
each score, 0 through 10 (let's ignore halves for now) and a big button
for DNO; the position of the big buttons makes their value almost
unmistakable. This is an interesting design issue, on its own.
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>This device eliminates the need for a scribe ( a side benefit)
and because of its fat-fingered layout it eliminates the need for the judge
to ever look down, even briefly. It loads a table of scores into the next
device.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>The second device could be a PDA ... with it the judge reviews his
efforts, at the end of the flight, and possibly discovers that there
was yet another maneuver that he missed or that all the scores are offset
because of a double strike or some such silly thing. The judge may even
choose to re-think a score! Then the flight is uploaded to the central
scoring. Obviously we would want to integrate the two devices, but that's
re-inventing the wheel.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>In
the meanwhile, it could all be done with a PDA, but this once
again requires a scribe 'cause the buttons are small, and there isn't
enough time. The judge gets to check his/her own work in the 1/2 minute
between flights. Don't need no stinkin' wireless, the PDAs can be run
to the scoring computer every couple of flights. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Silly idea?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dean P.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Wayne Galligan
[mailto:wgalligan@goodsonacura.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 15,
2004 3:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Judge Training /Contest Scoring<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think some forms of that are already
here now Buddy. Many of the new PDA's with bluetooth technology
have the capability to transfer wireless to another computer. All
you need is the same program in each unit to accomplish the
task.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Unfortunately I do not own one of these
devices...yet.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne Galligan</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=BUDDYonRC@aol.com
href="mailto:BUDDYonRC@aol.com">BUDDYonRC@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 15, 2004
11:59 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Judge Training
/Contest Scoring</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial
color=#8000ff size=2 PTSIZE="9" FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>I contend one of
the biggest problems with our judging system are judges who just throw a
score at a maneuver and will not use the system as designed.<BR>We will
always have different opinions concerning zero scores but objective
judging will go a long way toward assuring that the judging is on an
equal and correct basis, there are ways to do this. <BR>Currently
we never know when this is happening but I think it is more times than
most will admit.<BR>If we want to get technical and assure that judges
are using the judging system as it was designed and not just throwing a
number subjectively at a maneuver, with currently available equipment we
could add electronic scoring where the judge would simply press a button
to deduct points from the perfect ten score when the maneuver is
complete he would press another button to reset for the next maneuver,
the scores could be indicated on a lighted score card for all to see
along with a changing score as he deducts points for errors. the score
board could be large enough to have a place for all maneuver scores or
could have only two places which would indicate the last maneuver score
and the one in progress, in that case a scribe could transfer the score
to a score sheet, or if we want to have the ultimate system the results
could be transferred directly to the scoring system computer. <BR>It
would be interesting to know what such a system would cost. With things
coming out of China these days who knows maybe we could afford such an
animal. It sure would spruce up a contest.<BR>Buddy</FONT>
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