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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dean:<BR><BR>We had a couple of dummy units that we
looked at, but never came up with a design that we liked. Then, we found
that NSRCA was in financial trouble at the time, so the project was
dropped....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean Pappas</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 16, 2004 8:34
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Judge Training /Contest
Scoring</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=894523213-16042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Tony,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=894523213-16042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Yes
an interesting design problem, and I know that you have already hand flown one
or two ideas already! No?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=894523213-16042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tony Stillman
[mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 16, 2004 9:03
AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: Judge Training /Contest Scoring<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dean:<BR><BR>This is a pretty good
concept. The scribe can then be used to "prompt" the judge to input a
score, so one is not left out. This was studied by NSRCA during my
first term as President several years ago. At the time, the
equipment just did not exist to do it. It is available now, but still
pretty pricey. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As you say the unit with the "big buttons"
would be a challenge to design. It would be vital that the unit be
designed so a total novice could press the proper value button without
looking at it the very first time he/she tried it! That ain't
easy!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean
Pappas</A> </DIV>
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href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:56
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Judge Training /Contest
Scoring</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Hi Wayne,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I have actually given this some thought, recently. You need two
connected devices: the first is a ham-handed device that has a
big button for each score, 0 through 10 (let's ignore halves for
now) and a big button for DNO; the position of the big buttons makes their
value almost unmistakable. This is an interesting design issue, on its
own. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This device eliminates the need for a scribe ( a
side benefit) and because of its fat-fingered layout it eliminates
the need for the judge to ever look down, even briefly. It loads a table
of scores into the next device.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>The second device could be a PDA ... with it the judge reviews his
efforts, at the end of the flight, and possibly discovers that there
was yet another maneuver that he missed or that all the scores are offset
because of a double strike or some such silly thing. The judge may even
choose to re-think a score! Then the flight is uploaded to the central
scoring. Obviously we would want to integrate the two devices, but that's
re-inventing the wheel.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>In the meanwhile, it could all be done with a PDA, but this once
again requires a scribe 'cause the buttons are small, and there isn't
enough time. The judge gets to check his/her own work in the 1/2
minute between flights. Don't need no stinkin' wireless, the PDAs can
be run to the scoring computer every couple of flights.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Silly idea?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dean P.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Wayne Galligan
[mailto:wgalligan@goodsonacura.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 15,
2004 3:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Judge Training /Contest Scoring<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think some forms of that are already
here now Buddy. Many of the new PDA's with bluetooth
technology have the capability to transfer wireless to another
computer. All you need is the same program in each unit to
accomplish the task.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Unfortunately I do not own one of these
devices...yet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne Galligan</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=BUDDYonRC@aol.com
href="mailto:BUDDYonRC@aol.com">BUDDYonRC@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 15, 2004
11:59 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Judge Training
/Contest Scoring</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial
color=#8000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="9"><BR>I contend one
of the biggest problems with our judging system are judges who just
throw a score at a maneuver and will not use the system as
designed.<BR>We will always have different opinions concerning zero
scores but objective judging will go a long way toward assuring that
the judging is on an equal and correct basis, there are ways to do
this. <BR>Currently we never know when this is happening but I
think it is more times than most will admit.<BR>If we want to get
technical and assure that judges are using the judging system as it
was designed and not just throwing a number subjectively at a
maneuver, with currently available equipment we could add electronic
scoring where the judge would simply press a button to deduct points
from the perfect ten score when the maneuver is complete he would
press another button to reset for the next maneuver, the scores could
be indicated on a lighted score card for all to see along with a
changing score as he deducts points for errors. the score board could
be large enough to have a place for all maneuver scores or could have
only two places which would indicate the last maneuver score and the
one in progress, in that case a scribe could transfer the score to a
score sheet, or if we want to have the ultimate system the results
could be transferred directly to the scoring system computer. <BR>It
would be interesting to know what such a system would cost. With
things coming out of China these days who knows maybe we could afford
such an animal. It sure would spruce up a contest.<BR>Buddy</FONT>
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