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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dean:<BR><BR>This is a pretty good concept.
The scribe can then be used to "prompt" the judge to input a score, so one is
not left out. This was studied by NSRCA during my first term as President
several years ago. At the time, the equipment just did not exist to
do it. It is available now, but still pretty pricey. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As you say the unit with the "big buttons" would be
a challenge to design. It would be vital that the unit be designed so a
total novice could press the proper value button without looking at it the very
first time he/she tried it! That ain't easy!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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<A title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean Pappas</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:56
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Judge Training /Contest
Scoring</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Wayne,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
have actually given this some thought, recently. You need two connected
devices: the first is a ham-handed device that has a big button for each
score, 0 through 10 (let's ignore halves for now) and a big button for
DNO; the position of the big buttons makes their value almost unmistakable.
This is an interesting design issue, on its own. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>This device
eliminates the need for a scribe ( a side benefit) and because of its
fat-fingered layout it eliminates the need for the judge to ever look down,
even briefly. It loads a table of scores into the next
device.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
second device could be a PDA ... with it the judge reviews his efforts, at the
end of the flight, and possibly discovers that there was yet another
maneuver that he missed or that all the scores are offset because of a double
strike or some such silly thing. The judge may even choose to re-think a
score! Then the flight is uploaded to the central scoring. Obviously we would
want to integrate the two devices, but that's re-inventing the
wheel.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>In
the meanwhile, it could all be done with a PDA, but this once
again requires a scribe 'cause the buttons are small, and there isn't
enough time. The judge gets to check his/her own work in the 1/2 minute
between flights. Don't need no stinkin' wireless, the PDAs can be run to
the scoring computer every couple of flights. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Silly idea?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=406264319-15042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Dean
P.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Wayne Galligan
[mailto:wgalligan@goodsonacura.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 15, 2004
3:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Judge
Training /Contest Scoring<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think some forms of that are already
here now Buddy. Many of the new PDA's with bluetooth technology
have the capability to transfer wireless to another computer. All you
need is the same program in each unit to accomplish the task.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Unfortunately I do not own one of these
devices...yet.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne Galligan</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=BUDDYonRC@aol.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:59
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Judge Training /Contest
Scoring</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial
color=#8000ff size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="9"><BR>I contend one of
the biggest problems with our judging system are judges who just throw a
score at a maneuver and will not use the system as designed.<BR>We will
always have different opinions concerning zero scores but objective
judging will go a long way toward assuring that the judging is on an equal
and correct basis, there are ways to do this. <BR>Currently we never
know when this is happening but I think it is more times than most will
admit.<BR>If we want to get technical and assure that judges are using the
judging system as it was designed and not just throwing a number
subjectively at a maneuver, with currently available equipment we could
add electronic scoring where the judge would simply press a button to
deduct points from the perfect ten score when the maneuver is complete he
would press another button to reset for the next maneuver, the scores
could be indicated on a lighted score card for all to see along with a
changing score as he deducts points for errors. the score board could be
large enough to have a place for all maneuver scores or could have only
two places which would indicate the last maneuver score and the one in
progress, in that case a scribe could transfer the score to a score sheet,
or if we want to have the ultimate system the results could be transferred
directly to the scoring system computer. <BR>It would be interesting to
know what such a system would cost. With things coming out of China these
days who knows maybe we could afford such an animal. It sure would spruce
up a contest.<BR>Buddy</FONT>
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