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<DIV>I also like the idea of the judge writing the scores down on a note pad then the scribe records them. </DIV>
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<DIV> I write and the scibe writes and then the scribe double checks.</DIV>
<DIV>Another suggestion is that when the scores are posted the judges name also shows up on the board for the pilots to review. </DIV>
<DIV>We try and have the judge sign the score sheets each time. That always helps the contest in general.</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 4/17/2004 10:32:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, rsbxon@ev1.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>I vote for writing the scores down on a pad, based on my experience. I see no compelling reason for hand signals -- it se</FONT><FONT size=2>ems more complex than simply writing them down on a piece of paper. Also hand signals could introduce translation errors in that the judge cannot keep track of what the scribe has written down. In FAI pattern, the maneuvers come very quickly and I believe it would be difficult, if not possible to, keep up using Flash cards or hand signals. I also like the audit trail of the score-on-the-pad system. I respectfully disagree that all the flyers need to see the scores real time -- In my experience few flyers have the time to watch their competitors fly due to maintenance on their airplane, calling for others, or simply want to rest. I trust the judges to get it right and do not think we need to second guess zero's from the pit area. TRAIN THE JUDGES AND LET THEM DO THEIR JOB.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mike mueller</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:discussion@nsrca.org href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 17, 2004 3:37 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial> The way I propose the hand signals to work is like this:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> Right hand signifys 6 to 10 the thumb and index finger would be a 7. For half numbers you simply move the fingers to your palm and extend them several times. A whole number stays put and extended. Numbers under a 5 are on the left hand. I really think that the simplier we keep it the better it could succeed. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> Again I'd like to know if someone would like to trial this system at a contest. If only for a couple of rounds with willing participants. I think it's worth a try. I don't think there's anything in the rules that would prevent this. Thanks, Mike<BR><BR><B><I>Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>for me, I totally agree with these guys. RVP was the first to suggest this that I heard at the nats a few years ago and I started doing it this way and knew it was the way to go. I write the scores on the pad in a column without taking my eyes off the plane. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Maybe the easiest, low tech way to announce the scores is to have the scribe be the "publisher" for the manuver scores during the flight, and then copys the scores to the official sheet in between rounds. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> As a technology guy (s/w engineer) I'd love to see electronic scoreboards and PDA systems, but for over 100 years simple hand signals have served the arbitragers in the stock market. A simple adaptation of this system would be:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. Show the main score with your fingers, top of the hand facing the audience</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. If a hand is turned so that a palm is facing the audience, then add 1/2 point</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even if there are a few mistakes along the way with the palms, the audience will be informed to within a 1/2 point.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 17, 2004 7:57 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial>On Apr 17, 2004, at 5:47 AM, Del K. Rykert wrote:<BR><BR></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><B><?smaller><FONT face=Arial>The only other system I have found that works well is using a pad to write down the scores and hopefully the scribe can read my scribble and I don't overwrite my scores. It is better but not perfect. At least not perfect for me. When I have a knowledgeable scribe that is used to my system scores flow. When I have a warm body stuck in scribes chair the system breaks down no matter what the system is in some cases especially while judging FAI.<?/smaller></FONT></B><BR><B><?smaller><FONT face=Arial> Keep the thoughts flowing and something better might be created.<?/smaller></FONT></B><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT face=Arial>I do what Del describes, except that I usually don't use a scribe. After the last airborne maneuver, I transcribe from the pad to the scoresheet.. I am usually done before the airplane is on final landing approach.<BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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