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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>More open communication will help the sport, in my
opinion. I have invited friends and family to contests to watch. I
have talked to news stations that come to contests to report. I have been
part of contests where we get a bunch of local club volunteers to help
out. the comments by all these groups of people is exactly the same:
viewers have no idea what is going on or what they are watching and they get
bored very quickly and never want to return. When is a particular flight
significant? All the manuvers look great to the uninitiated, so showing
them scores along the way will develop their appreciation.Watching golf is
boring to most people, even golfers - but at least they play a different hole
each time. We fly the same thing over and over. Posting manuver
scores and announcing pilots is the only way to connect with any
spectator.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Internally, within our own secret society, the
value stems from improved communications. We'll all get better practice at
judging, even if we only watch an occasional manuver, judge it, and then compare
our score to the real judges. If the real judge is a person we respect, we
might identify something to talk over a beer later.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 17, 2004 2:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: A possible answer to lousy
judging "Flash cards"</DIV>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">Mike Im not sure why everyone "needs" to see
the scores each judge gives. The spectator sport is to watch the flying, not
kill the judge if the spectator does not agree with the judge's scoring
habits<BR><BR>Years ago we used to employ a chief judge at many local meets.
One of the jobs of the chief judge was to review the judges' scoring habits,
and sort of look over their shoulder. He would often discuss issues with the
judges after a round. I know I did, and so did my judging mentor. This was
never intended to alter the judges' standards and seldom did. The reviews
simply would touch on specific issues observed.<BR><BR>Now only the large
meets employ a chief judge and that's good, but isn't enough in my opinion. I
wouldn't mind at all if we started to employ chief judges again. It is of
particular importance now, with contestant judging the norm, and new blood
entering the arena all the time<BR><BR>Although discussion with the contestant
after his round is done, is discouraged in the present methodology of running
the contests, I tend to give some constructive criticism to some contestants
when I feel they are making the same mistakes often . Sportsman and
Intermediate pilots are particularly vulnerable to misinterpretation of the
geometries or rules, but others have also been informed of what I see. Not
everyone is open to this so I am careful and discrete. I see many seasoned
judges do this and I feel is a far better approach than showing all one's
scores. <BR><BR>The seasoned pilot usually already knows what he has done
wrong so talking with him or her, other than praising him or her for a well
flown round, is counterproductive. But the folks in the lower classes,
particularly the new ones with possibly little real exposure to other Pattern
pilots back home, would benefit the most.<BR><BR>MattK<BR><BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE">Subj:<B>Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
</B><BR>Date:4/17/2004 9:50:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time<BR>From:<A
href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</A><BR>Reply-to:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>To:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><I>Sent from
the Internet </I><BR><BR><BR><BR>Everyone needs to see the scores as they
are happening. How else do we catch guys scoring snaps that should be a 0?
How are we going to coach? The way were doing it now has more holes in it
than swiss cheese. My proposed system allows for improvement and a better
understanding of how to judge as well as what judges are looking for in
maneuvers. It's educational and adds more life to the contests. Could you
explain to me how this adds a distraction to the pilots? I don't remember
that being a problem in the 70's. Also this system works as well as telling
the scribe your score but actually adds far less of a distraction than
having the pilot hear a load judge verbally telling the scribes the score.
Really what's wrong with it?<BR>I'd really like a concrete reasons why our
present system is better. If I seem passionate about the argument than you'd
have an accurate assessment of how I feel. Status quo ain't cutting it for
me. Thanks, Mike<BR><BR><B><I>Don Ramsey
<drams@cox-internet.com></B></I> wrote:<BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE">Maybe I'm missing the point here. I don't think anyone
needs to see the scores until the round is complete. There are
enough distractions for the pilots and judges from the spectators
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