<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Mike Im not sure why everyone "needs" to see the scores each judge gives. The spectator sport is to watch the flying, not kill the judge if the spectator does not agree with the judge's scoring habits<BR>
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Years ago we used to employ a chief judge at many local meets. One of the jobs of the chief judge was to review the judges' scoring habits, and sort of look over their shoulder. He would often discuss issues with the judges after a round. I know I did, and so did my judging mentor. This was never intended to alter the judges' standards and seldom did. The reviews simply would touch on specific issues observed.<BR>
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Now only the large meets employ a chief judge and that's good, but isn't enough in my opinion. I wouldn't mind at all if we started to employ chief judges again. It is of particular importance now, with contestant judging the norm, and new blood entering the arena all the time<BR>
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Although discussion with the contestant after his round is done, is discouraged in the present methodology of running the contests, I tend to give some constructive criticism to some contestants when I feel they are making the same mistakes often
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of the geometries or rules, but others have also been informed of what I see. Not everyone is open to this so I am careful and discrete. I see many seasoned judges do this and I feel is a far better approach than showing all one's scores. <BR>
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The seasoned pilot usually already knows what he has done wrong so talking with him or her, other than praising him or her for a well flown round, is counterproductive. But the folks in the lower classes, particularly the new ones with possibly little real exposure to other Pattern pilots back home, would benefit the most.<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Subj:<B>Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards" </B><BR>
Date:4/17/2004 9:50:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time<BR>
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Everyone needs to see the scores as they are happening. How else do we catch guys scoring snaps that should be a 0? How are we going to coach? The way were doing it now has more holes in it than swiss cheese. My proposed system allows for improvement and a better understanding of how to judge as well as what judges are looking for in maneuvers. It's educational and adds more life to the contests. Could you explain to me how this adds a distraction to the pilots? I don't remember that being a problem in the 70's. Also this system works as well as telling the scribe your score but actually adds far less of a distraction than having the pilot hear a load judge verbally telling the scribes the score. Really what's wrong with it?<BR>
I'd really like a concrete reasons why our present system is better. If I seem passionate about the argument than you'd have an accurate assessment of how I feel. Status quo ain't cutting it for me. Thanks, Mike<BR>
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<B><I>Don Ramsey <drams@cox-internet.com></B></I> wrote:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Maybe I'm missing the point here. I don't think anyone needs to see the scores until the round is complete. There are enough distractions for the pilots and judges from the spectators now. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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