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Dave came up with something here that really tweaked my conscience. I
do believe that I'm going to download some score sheets and use them at
practice sessions. I'm fortunate enough to live where some really good
flyers practice FAI and Masters. I could sit back while having a cold
drink and actually get used to scoring them. They wouldn't have to
know it was going on, but, guess what? I'll bet that, if they knew,
they'd come over and ask how the flight looked, and probably want to
see the scores for their own knowledge. And, as a judge, I wouldn't be
under the gun, as at a contest. We'd all be more relaxed, and could
work out the bugs. Does it sound practical? I'm giving it a try.
It'll be a few weeks before I can manage it, (contests and things going
on) but it seems as if it could be beneficial. Has it been done
before? Comments?<br>
<br>
Bill Glaze<br>
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Tony Stillman wrote:<br>
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<div>Dave:<br>
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Well stated.... GOOD judging is something you have to work at! I know
from my work on the judging statistics that I am not as good as some
others.....Time to put more effort into it!</div>
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<div>Tony Stillman<br>
Radio South<br>
3702 N. Pace Blvd.<br>
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Friday, April 16, 2004 10:14 AM</div>
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Re: Judge Training /Contest Scoring</div>
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<div>Whether flashcards, fingers, scoring paddles (with or without
clothespins), verbal communication, writing on a piece of paper, or an
electronic assistant are used - I think an issue that still remains is
that no one will be proficient with a system they have not practiced
with. It is a very rare judge that is capable of communicating a score
to a scribe or documenting a score by other means without missing a
single second of the flight - especially with no practice to develop
proficiency. Just watch the judges at the next contest - no matter
what system is being used.</div>
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<div>Judging is a very complex task requiring -</div>
<div>- substantial knowledge of the basic elements of all maneuvers
and the specific downgrades for some specific maneuvers and the
application for that knowledge needs to be real time,</div>
<div>- documenting the score without missing any of the flight,</div>
<div>- knowing the schedule and the elements of the maneuvers being
flown so that wrong maneuvers don't get scored (scored zero, actually)
and maneuvers with elements missing are appropriately downgraded
(including zero if needed).</div>
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<div>For the first item, judging seminars help by forcing use to
read the rules and study maneuvers and downgrades. For the second
item, I can't remember the last time I saw a seasoned judge or flier
practice judging with a scribe (outside of warmup flights at NATS/TS) -
same the times a seasoned pattern guy sits down with a pattern newbie
to work them through the judging process. For the third item, I spend
a lot of time coaching/critiquing flights every year - I think it helps
with judging as I usually know every schedule by heart by
mid-season. But none of these are the same as real practice judging or
contest judging.</div>
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<div>We all put in many practice flights to improve our flying
every year. And we spend substantial time flying in contests. Only a
fraction of the time we spend flying in contests do we spend judging (3
rounds average at each of maybe an average of 5 contests?) - and how
many of us practice judging outside of a contest (including the
scoring/documentation system)? I've been regularly judging at
contests for almost 20 years - and that experience helps, but in a
given year, I might spend about 5-10% of my time on judging and the
rest is flying (I do fly a lot). I tend to think my flying would not
look too good if I only burnt 10% of the fuel.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
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<div>Dave Lockhart</div>
<div><a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</a></div>
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Friday, April 16, 2004 9:30 AM</div>
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Re: Judge Training /Contest Scoring</div>
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<strong> Tony & Dean maybe your closer than you think, really
if you think about it you only need a 2 button system as AMA uses 1/2
point increments say the right button every time you push it deducts
1/2 point the left button would be as an "enter" which would then go to
the next maneuver, could even be programed to input the contestant # by
the same method say push enter button 3 times for a new contestant, for
FAI the program would detect that the pilot # is FAI and would use 1
point increments.</strong>
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