<DIV> Thanks for the valuable feedback Del. I really appreciate the dialog. I know that the problems with judging are never going to be perfect. I have no tolerance with confrontations that get heated and we need to address that issue. Were supposed to be gentelman flying for recreation. Thanks, again Mike<BR><BR><B><I>"Del K. Rykert" <drykert@localnet.com></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><STRONG> </STRONG>Some have already been using the hand system in our district and only issue I ran into was putting up wrong fingers for the score intended and then verbally having to correct scribe and when scribe forgets whether to add or subtract 1/2 point, different judges use different standard and arthritic fingers don't always cooperate and lead to is that a seven or 8 question. the pad system is best and works well for me and I have gotten to point where I now don't even want to discuss scores after a session I chair from the heated conversations in a couple of instances. If a proposed system is going to generate more of that you will find more than just me being reluctant to man the chair. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2> del <BR> NSRCA - 473</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"</DIV>
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<DIV> The way I propose the hand signals to work is like this:</DIV>
<DIV> Right hand signifys 6 to 10 the thumb and index finger would be a 7. For half numbers you simply move the fingers to your palm and extend them several times. A whole number stays put and extended. Numbers under a 5 are on the left hand. I really think that the simplier we keep it the better it could succeed. </DIV>
<DIV> Again I'd like to know if someone would like to trial this system at a contest. If only for a couple of rounds with willing participants. I think it's worth a try. I don't think there's anything in the rules that would prevent this. Thanks, Mike<BR><BR><B><I>Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>for me, I totally agree with these guys. RVP was the first to suggest this that I heard at the nats a few years ago and I started doing it this way and knew it was the way to go. I write the scores on the pad in a column without taking my eyes off the plane. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Maybe the easiest, low tech way to announce the scores is to have the scribe be the "publisher" for the manuver scores during the flight, and then copys the scores to the official sheet in between rounds. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> As a technology guy (s/w engineer) I'd love to see electronic scoreboards and PDA systems, but for over 100 years simple hand signals have served the arbitragers in the stock market. A simple adaptation of this system would be:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. Show the main score with your fingers, top of the hand facing the audience</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. If a hand is turned so that a palm is facing the audience, then add 1/2 point</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even if there are a few mistakes along the way with the palms, the audience will be informed to within a 1/2 point.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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