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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike:<BR><BR>I don't have any problem with having
scores visible during the flight. It is the HOW this is done that is the
problem. The only way I could see it working is to have a push button
system that the judge uses that lights up a screen for the crowd to see, as well
as send the score to the scoring computer. <BR><BR>This can be done,
but it will be very expensive!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
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<A title=mups1953@yahoo.com href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mike mueller</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 17, 2004 1:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: A possible answer to lousy
judging "Flash cards"</DIV>
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<DIV> Del what we need is a system that's open for all to see. Ours
causes more problems than I can begin to explain with all the secrecy. When
you were accousted my the irate flyers did you feel that you could in
turn judge you fairly? If we had visual scoring they would be watched and
that might have kept them honest. Yes we need to evaluate judging and there
needs to be more dialog for correction. Really think the time has come for
change here. If it doesn;t happen then we will be discussing the same old dumb
stuff again and again form now till we quit. You only have to look as far as
snap scoring to recognize the need to see what's going on up on the line. Were
pretty much all gentelman here and I feel confident that the tools available
will result in improvement for the better of us all. I have to tell everyone
that I appreciate the debate pro or con. I'm listening in a serious manner and
I'm sorry if I hit a few nerves. Thanks again, Mike Mueller<BR><BR><B><I>"Del
K. Rykert" <drykert@localnet.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>I didn't realize judging the
judges was one of the goals here. Myself I have been verbally accosted by
irate people after judging which is inexcusable but do we need more of that
crap.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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del
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NSRCA - 473</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<A title=mups1953@yahoo.com href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mike
mueller</A> </DIV>
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href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: A possible answer to
lousy judging "Flash cards"</DIV>
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<DIV> Who get's to see the pad? How does this help in our ability to
judge the judging? Mike<BR><BR><B><I>Don Ramsey <<A
href="mailto:donramsey@cox-internet.com">donramsey@cox-internet.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I believe the pad is the best answer.
Two years ago at the NATS finals Somenzini's scores were lost
in transport to scoring. Two judges were asked to refile and
only the scratch pads saved the day. I always put the
contestant name or number at the top of a column and record the scores
vertically. If there is a scribe there is no need for questions about
anything until the round is finished. I check the scribe or
transcribe the scores after the final maneuver. Of course, this
may not allow me to view the entire landing sequence.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Don</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van
Putte</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 17, 2004
7:57 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: A possible answer to
lousy judging "Flash cards"</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On Apr 17, 2004, at 5:47 AM, Del K. Rykert
wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><B><?smaller>The only other system I have found that
works well is using a pad to write down the scores and hopefully the
scribe can read my scribble and I don't overwrite my scores. It is
better but not perfect. At least not perfect for me. When I have a
knowledgeable scribe that is used to my system scores flow. When I
have a warm body stuck in scribes chair the system breaks down no
matter what the system is in some cases especially while judging
FAI.<?/smaller></B><BR><B><?smaller> Keep the
thoughts flowing and something better might be
created.<?/smaller></B><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I do what Del describes,
except that I usually don't use a scribe. After the last airborne
maneuver, I transcribe from the pad to the scoresheet.. I am usually
done before the airplane is on final landing approach.<BR><BR>Ron Van
Putte<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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