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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Del</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">For a second there I thought you were kidding.
<grin></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Alan</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=drykert@localnet.com href="mailto:drykert@localnet.com">Del K.
Rykert</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 19, 2004 8:07
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: A possible answer to lousy
judging "Flash cards"</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif">I learned that a long time ago it was smarter
to bribe the scribes rather than the judges. Scribes were cheaper too...
<STRONG>(4 those 2 serious this was said tongue firmly planted in
cheek...)</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif"><STRONG> </STRONG> del
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NSRCA - 473</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=MargueriteVG@aol.com
href="mailto:MargueriteVG@aol.com">MargueriteVG@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 19, 2004 7:32
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: A possible answer to lousy
judging "Flash cards"</DIV>
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<DIV> James </DIV>
<DIV> I have seen that also. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> We have to use scribes that really know what is expected and
how important these scores are to the pilots. I</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The question is how do we get scribes that are trained and responsible.
that is difficult unless they are pilots. It is very sad when a
pilot has to scribe judge and fly at a contest. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> It really is not as simple as "just write down what I
tell you" Man</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>When its 100 degrees out and we need scribes many are asked to help
that are not really ready to scribe. I often wonder was it the Judge
or the scribe that wrote that outrageous O or 5 when it should have
been a 9 :-)</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>. We really do not have an answer yet. Perhaps we might have some
of the sophisticated suggestions made on the subject put into action.
Research the idea. An extra dollar or two from each contest to work
on an electronic program. A committee could be set up with
the NSRCA</DIV>
<DIV>Might take awhile but its a move towards a solution. Lets face it the
score a scribe writes down decides the winner.</DIV>
<DIV>Marguerite</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 4/19/2004 5:51:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
James.Woodward2@edwards.af.mil writes:</DIV>
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face=Arial>I know I'm way-late on this thread however, the use of a scribe
does not in<BR>itself guarantee better judging. Just this weekend,
we/I witnessed judges<BR>using scribes for Masters & FAI, looking
"down" to tell the scribe what the<BR>score is..... it was kind of funny
to watch. In fact, given that they were<BR>looking down before the
use of a scribe, the addition of a scribe only<BR>increase the chances of
errors, as they (still looking down), had to<BR>transfer information to
another person.<BR>Jim W.<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]
On<BR>Behalf Of Ed Miller<BR>Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:43 PM<BR>To:
discussion@nsrca.org<BR>Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging
"Flash cards"<BR><BR>Well, you are in charge of judging at the BDS contest
so go for it.<BR>Personally, since we have so few spectators at a contest
I don't see who it<BR>is benefiting. IMHO seems like we've found a lot of
answers for an<BR>unnecessary question. If all this would lead to
eliminating the scribe,<BR>helping judges judge better and helping the CD
the day of the event I'd be<BR>all for it. The hand signals to the scribe
and the judge placing the scores<BR>on a separate sheet to then be
transferred to the official score sheet to me<BR>is a classic example of
complicating a simple task. The only way to<BR>eliminate scribes is for
every judge to know by heart every sequence of<BR>every class by heart,
not realistic. Short of an electronic scoring device,<BR>I don't see
anything here that is simple enough to have repeatable, 100%<BR>correct
results. We ought to focus our energy on preparing better judges
and<BR>simplifying and clarifying maneuver descriptions so there is no
room for<BR>interpretation.<BR>Ed M.<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----
<BR>From: "Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105@hotmail.com><BR>To:
<discussion@nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:57
PM<BR>Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash
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