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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif">Hi Alan..</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"> Guess I need to perfect
it as I am still fighting to get out of last place... lol..</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"><STRONG>
</STRONG>Del</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=alan@countryworkshop.ca href="mailto:alan@countryworkshop.ca">Alan
Hewson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 19, 2004 8:15
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: A possible answer to lousy
judging "Flash cards"</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Del</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">For a second there I thought you were kidding.
<grin></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Alan</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=drykert@localnet.com href="mailto:drykert@localnet.com">Del K.
Rykert</A> </DIV>
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href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 19, 2004 8:07
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: A possible answer to lousy
judging "Flash cards"</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif">I learned that a long time ago it was
smarter to bribe the scribes rather than the judges. Scribes were cheaper
too... <STRONG>(4 those 2 serious this was said tongue firmly planted
in cheek...)</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif"><STRONG> </STRONG> del
<BR>
NSRCA - 473</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=MargueriteVG@aol.com
href="mailto:MargueriteVG@aol.com">MargueriteVG@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 19, 2004 7:32
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: A possible answer to
lousy judging "Flash cards"</DIV>
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<DIV> James </DIV>
<DIV> I have seen that also. </DIV>
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<DIV> We have to use scribes that really know what is expected
and how important these scores are to the pilots. I</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The question is how do we get scribes that are trained and
responsible. that is difficult unless they are pilots. It is
very sad when a pilot has to scribe judge and fly at a contest. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> It really is not as simple as "just write down what
I tell you" Man</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>When its 100 degrees out and we need scribes many are asked to help
that are not really ready to scribe. I often wonder was it the Judge
or the scribe that wrote that outrageous O or 5 when it should have
been a 9 :-)</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>. We really do not have an answer yet. Perhaps we might have
some of the sophisticated suggestions made on the subject put into action.
Research the idea. An extra dollar or two from each contest to work
on an electronic program. A committee could be set up with
the NSRCA</DIV>
<DIV>Might take awhile but its a move towards a solution. Lets face it the
score a scribe writes down decides the winner.</DIV>
<DIV>Marguerite</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 4/19/2004 5:51:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
James.Woodward2@edwards.af.mil writes:</DIV>
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face=Arial>I know I'm way-late on this thread however, the use of a
scribe does not in<BR>itself guarantee better judging. Just this
weekend, we/I witnessed judges<BR>using scribes for Masters & FAI,
looking "down" to tell the scribe what the<BR>score is..... it was kind
of funny to watch. In fact, given that they were<BR>looking down
before the use of a scribe, the addition of a scribe only<BR>increase
the chances of errors, as they (still looking down), had to<BR>transfer
information to another person.<BR>Jim W.<BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] On<BR>Behalf Of Ed Miller<BR>Sent:
Monday, April 19, 2004 2:43 PM<BR>To: discussion@nsrca.org<BR>Subject:
Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"<BR><BR>Well, you
are in charge of judging at the BDS contest so go for it.<BR>Personally,
since we have so few spectators at a contest I don't see who it<BR>is
benefiting. IMHO seems like we've found a lot of answers for
an<BR>unnecessary question. If all this would lead to eliminating the
scribe,<BR>helping judges judge better and helping the CD the day of the
event I'd be<BR>all for it. The hand signals to the scribe and the judge
placing the scores<BR>on a separate sheet to then be transferred to the
official score sheet to me<BR>is a classic example of complicating a
simple task. The only way to<BR>eliminate scribes is for every judge to
know by heart every sequence of<BR>every class by heart, not realistic.
Short of an electronic scoring device,<BR>I don't see anything here that
is simple enough to have repeatable, 100%<BR>correct results. We ought
to focus our energy on preparing better judges and<BR>simplifying and
clarifying maneuver descriptions so there is no room
for<BR>interpretation.<BR>Ed M.<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----
<BR>From: "Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105@hotmail.com><BR>To:
<discussion@nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:57
PM<BR>Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash
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