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<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 19, 2004 10:32
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: A possible answer to lousy
judging "Flash cards"</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On Apr 19, 2004, at 7:07 PM, Del K. Rykert wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?x-tad-bigger>I learned that a long time ago it was smarter to
bribe the scribes rather than the judges. Scribes were cheaper too... <?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger>(4 those 2 serious this was said tongue
firmly planted in cheek...)<?/x-tad-bigger></B><BR><B><?x-tad-bigger><BR><?/x-tad-bigger></B></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I
once scribed for a notoriously 'low judge'. The CD asked me how it went and I
told him, "It was great once I realized that I didn't have to write down the
scores he gave me." He about had a fit until I told him I was just
kidding.<BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>----- Original Message
-----<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger><?/x-tad-bigger><B><?x-tad-bigger>From:<?/x-tad-bigger></B><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?x-tad-bigger>MargueriteVG@aol.com<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>To:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?color><?param 0000,0000,EEEE><?x-tad-bigger>discussion@nsrca.org<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?x-tad-bigger>
<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Sent:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Monday, April 19, 2004 7:32 PM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Subject:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily></B><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>
James <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> I
have seen that also. <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> We
have to use scribes that really know what is expected and how important
these scores are to the pilots. I<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>The
question is how do we get scribes that are trained and responsible. that
is difficult unless they are pilots. It is very sad when a pilot
has to scribe judge and fly at a contest.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> It
really is not as simple as "just write down what I tell you" Man<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>When
its 100 degrees out and we need scribes many are asked to help that are not
really ready to scribe. I often wonder was it the Judge or the
scribe that wrote that outrageous O or 5 when it should have been a
9 :-)<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>.
We really do not have an answer yet. Perhaps we might have some of the
sophisticated suggestions made on the subject put into action. Research the
idea. An extra dollar or two from each contest to work on an
electronic program. A committee could be set up with the
NSRCA<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Might
take awhile but its a move towards a solution. Lets face it the score a
scribe writes down decides the winner.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Marguerite<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>In
a message dated 4/19/2004 5:51:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
James.Woodward2@edwards.af.mil writes:<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>I
know I'm way-late on this thread however, the use of a scribe does not in<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>itself
guarantee better judging. Just this weekend, we/I witnessed judges<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>using
scribes for Masters & FAI, looking "down" to tell the scribe what the<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>score
is..... it was kind of funny to watch. In fact, given that they were<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>looking
down before the use of a scribe, the addition of a scribe only<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>increase
the chances of errors, as they (still looking down), had to<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>transfer
information to another person.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Jim
W.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>-----Original
Message-----<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>From:
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] On<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Behalf
Of Ed Miller<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Sent:
Monday, April 19, 2004 2:43 PM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>To:
discussion@nsrca.org<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Subject:
Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Well,
you are in charge of judging at the BDS contest so go for it.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Personally,
since we have so few spectators at a contest I don't see who it<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>is
benefiting. IMHO seems like we've found a lot of answers for an<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>unnecessary
question. If all this would lead to eliminating the scribe,<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>helping
judges judge better and helping the CD the day of the event I'd be<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>all
for it. The hand signals to the scribe and the judge placing the scores<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>on
a separate sheet to then be transferred to the official score sheet to me<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>is
a classic example of complicating a simple task. The only way to<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>eliminate
scribes is for every judge to know by heart every sequence of<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>every
class by heart, not realistic. Short of an electronic scoring device,<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>I
don't see anything here that is simple enough to have repeatable, 100%<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>correct
results. We ought to focus our energy on preparing better judges and<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>simplifying
and clarifying maneuver descriptions so there is no room for<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>interpretation.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Ed
M.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>-----
Original Message -----<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>From:
"Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105@hotmail.com><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>To:
<discussion@nsrca.org><?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Sent:
Monday, April 19, 2004 12:57 PM<?/x-tad-bigger><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?x-tad-bigger>Subject:
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