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<DIV><SPAN class=247034716-10052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Jim,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247034716-10052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> Your correct about the learning curve! I have spoken with a few
HARDCORE electric guys & they really do heed those AMA guidelines cause they
have seen some rapid type failures! I charge my laptop over night &
Toshiba has not ,Nor has the Computer industry notified me to charge it in a
fireproof vault/grill! </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247034716-10052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
It's easy to see other issues with Li-ion on the internet!
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247034716-10052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
It's a shame we have companies out there that do there R&D in such a
manner, I feel comfortable with my SPECIFIC USE Li-Ion batteries in
CERTAIN applications,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247034716-10052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> But just don't trust everybody to assemble packs of Chinese cells
and put them in my house anymore!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247034716-10052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247034716-10052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> And your assumption that "It has been corrected". trust me from
where I sit IT HAS NOT! At least the price of being there R&D
testing Guinea pigs!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247034716-10052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247034716-10052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> Sometimes you just never know when YOUR gonna be the TESTING
DUMMIE! And the curve will be drawn Around YOU!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247034716-10052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247034716-10052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>
Ni-cads working good for me! @ c/10</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=247034716-10052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>JOddino<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 10, 2004 12:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Charging concerns/questions with NMP
Lithium Ion batteries<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm guessing that you don't really know if there
is a bigger problem in the R/C industry vs. other applications. There
hasn't been in my neck of the woods. There will be when we start
powering our models with them, but I don't believe operating our R/C systems
with Li-Ion poses a high risk. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do believe that the company that has given
Lithiums a bad reputation is the one that added the charge circuitry in the
packs and it was the implementation (not the concept) of that circuitry that
caused the problems. I assume it has been corrected. I also
believe that it takes some level of learning to avoid accidents but that is
not unusual for modelers. There are many dangers in our hobby. So
If someone doesn't feel up to the learning process, stick with what you
know.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Rcmaster199@aol.com
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 09, 2004 7:37
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Charging
concerns/questions with NMP Lithium Ion batteries</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2
PTSIZE="10" FAMILY="SANSSERIF">I have tried to stay out of most of this
discussion but something is gnawing at me. I have asked this question
before, but don't believe I have gotten an answer. Maybe no one on the list
knows <BR><BR>Since Li-ion and Li-poly technology is widely used in cameras
and cell phones, and these are recharged all the time (in the home and
without special power supplies like separate 12 volt sources and such) with
extremely safe circuitry, why is it that the folks who offer these same
battery types to us, use charging circuitry that isn't so bullet
proof???<BR><BR>Certainly currents and voltages are different in some
applications, but the chemistry is the same. And Lithium metal will burn
with ferocious intensity whether 20 grams are exposed or 10 times that
amount. The heat is enough to burn your plane or house either
way.<BR><BR>Matt K<BR>
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TYPE="CITE">Subj:<B>Re: Charging concerns/questions with NMP Lithium Ion
batteries </B><BR>Date:5/9/2004 12:33:04 PM Eastern Daylight
Time<BR>From:<A
href="mailto:kerlock@comcast.net">kerlock@comcast.net</A><BR>Reply-to:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>To:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><I>Sent
from the Internet </I><BR><BR><BR><BR>First off, I'm not looking for
compassion. That was a simple explanation as<BR>to why a guy who is
normally cheery, laughing and all smiles could go into a<BR>practically
homicidal rage over a smart a* comment<BR><BR>Secondly and most
importantly, I'd like you to explain to me, with as much<BR>detail as
you'd like, how my position is extreme in any way, shape or form.<BR>To
me, an extreme position would be "ban lithium batteries". I have
never<BR>said or proposed any such thing. I'd like to know how
recommending caution<BR>and informing the uninformed could POSSIBLY be
viewed as extreme. Or is<BR>anyone even bothering to read, or are they
just glancing and knee jerking?<BR><BR>And I don't need any type of
apology, but thanks for the thought. I mean it.<BR><BR>-Mike<BR><BR>-----
Original Message ----- <BR>From: "John Ferrell"
<johnferrell@earthlink.net><BR>To:
<discussion@nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 10:12
AM<BR>Subject: Re: Charging concerns/questions with NMP Lithium Ion
batteries<BR><BR><BR>> We can always start over. I am sometimes guilty
of "picking on" someone<BR>> because their reaction is extreme. I see
now that I should investigate<BR>> conditions further to assure that
what I intend as good natured joking is<BR>> not taken as insensitive
and cruel. Fortunately, it was not I that was the<BR>> perpetrator this
time, but it could have
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