[From nobody Sun Nov 21 22:29:25 2004 From: <tony@radiosouthrc.com> To: <discussion@nsrca.org> Subject: Re: Rules Proposals Final Vote Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:13:52 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19929_1084369654_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19929_1084369654_1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jerry: I don't know if it is in print yet or not. That was one of the major = changes that came about when AMA held a meeting of Contest Board = Chairman a few months back. There were other changes as well, but going = back to a 2-year cycle will help us greatly. You might send Steve Kaluf an e-mail to see if it is on the AMA website = somewhere.... Tony Stillman Radio South 3702 N. Pace Blvd. Pensacola, FL 32505 1-800-962-7802 www.radiosouthrc.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Stebbins=20 To: discussion@nsrca.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 5:41 PM Subject: Re: Rules Proposals Final Vote Tony, I looked all over the AMA website, and could not find any info = about this change. Even their 2005 cycle info is 3 years. What am I = missing/where can I find it? Thanks Jerry ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tony@radiosouthrc.com=20 To: discussion@nsrca.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Rules Proposals Final Vote John: One thing that might help you a little is that AMA has gone back to = the 2-year cycle.... That means in 2007 we can look forward to a new = sequence, once one is proposed when the next cycle starts later this = year... Tony Stillman Radio South 3702 N. Pace Blvd. Pensacola, FL 32505 1-800-962-7802 www.radiosouthrc.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Ferrell=20 To: discussion@nsrca.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:55 PM Subject: Re: Rules Proposals Final Vote I am disappointed at the prospect of flying the same maneuvers in = the Sportsman/intermediate and Advanced classes for the next three years = but I suppose it will all work out. Them who get tired of it will move = on, the Masters & Fai will continue.=20 However, I am acquainted with all but three of the Contest Board = members and I feel they must have had reasons for voting as they did. I = hope those reasons were for the good of all.=20 At any rate, what you see is what we got. The time for bickering = is past. Clearly, the AMA wants direct communications rather than the = assistance of the NSRCA and in the future I expect we need to all send = them the detailed communications and let them deal with it. Failure to = endorse the survey is a simple statement that we are not allowed to play = in their sandbox. The proposals are at = http://www.modelaircraft.org/Comp/2005rulesproposals.htm If you compare the T&L sequences with FAI's you will see they are = not near as rigid. Note there is no longer a penalty for an aborted takeoff(whatever = the reason), and no need to call the maneuver. The need to call the = landing is removed as well. I hate to show my ignorance in public but I = am still trying to figure out what "upwind and downwind markers" are. In = this district we normally mark the boxes, the centers and the landing = zones. If the terrain is rugged, sometimes the box markers are pretty = close on one side, and not so close on the other. John Ferrell =20 http://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Van Putte=20 To: discussion@nsrca.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: Re: Rules Proposals Final Vote John Fuqua asked me to forward the following to the NSRCA = discussion list. Ron Van Putte Begin forwarded message: From: "John Fuqua" <johnfuqua@gdsys.net> Date: May 10, 2004 9:09:23 PM CDT To: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte@cox.net> Subject: RE: rules proposals final result Please pass on to the group that the Board is an AMA Board not = a NSRCA Board. If we were an NSRCA Board Ron Van Putte's proposal on = the annex system would not have been rejected by the AMA Excutive = Council. While I respect the NSRCA survey and look at the results I = represent AMA District V not NSRCA District 3. Same for the other Board = members. Just as the Board is not in lock step with me, or anybody else = for that matter, the Board is not in lock step with the NSRCA nor should = it be. Each District member must feel out his District. If he gets = input from NSRCA members from his District than all the better. Just = for the record I received zero, nada, 0 written or email inputs from my = District members on these proposals. Others in my District have talked = to me and there was no clear consensus one way or the other leaving me = to vote my feelings. =20 I submitted the takeoff and landing proposal, again, having = had another of my district members submit it the last cycle where it = failed. Just like flying by class vice frequency of some years ago, = some ideas take time to develop. I think the proposal is superior to = what we have now for a lot of reasons. Go look at the rationale in the = proposal to see the issues. One last thought. If takeoff and landing = were aerobatic manuevers, the FAA would require all airline passengers = to wear parachutes. =20 John Fuqua -----Original Message----- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19929_1084369654_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jerry:<BR>I don't know if it is in = print yet or=20 not.&nbsp; That was one of the major changes that came about when AMA = held a=20 meeting of Contest Board Chairman a few months back.&nbsp; There were = other=20 changes as well, but going back to a 2-year cycle will help us=20 greatly.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You might send Steve Kaluf an e-mail to = see if it=20 is on the AMA website somewhere....</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL = 32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A=20 href=3D"http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DJAStebbins@worldnet.att.net=20 href=3D"mailto:JAStebbins@worldnet.att.net">Jerry Stebbins</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Ddiscussion@nsrca.org=20 href=3D"mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 11, 2004 = 5:41 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Rules Proposals = Final=20 Vote</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tony, I looked all over the AMA = website, and=20 could not find any info about this change. Even their 2005 cycle info = is 3=20 years. What am I missing/where can I find it?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jerry</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dtony@radiosouthrc.com=20 href=3D"mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com">tony@radiosouthrc.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Ddiscussion@nsrca.org=20 href=3D"mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 11, 2004 = 2:06=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Rules Proposals = Final=20 Vote</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John:<BR><BR>One thing that might = help you a=20 little is that AMA has gone back to the 2-year cycle....&nbsp; That = means in=20 2007 we can look forward to a new sequence, once one is proposed = when the=20 next cycle starts later this year...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace = Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL=20 32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A=20 href=3D"http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Djohnferrell@earthlink.net=20 href=3D"mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">John Ferrell</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Ddiscussion@nsrca.org=20 href=3D"mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 11, 2004 = 1:55=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Rules = Proposals Final=20 Vote</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am disappointed at the prospect = of flying=20 the same maneuvers in the Sportsman/intermediate and Advanced = classes for=20 the next three years but I suppose it will all work out.&nbsp; = Them who=20 get tired of it will move on, the Masters &amp; Fai will continue. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, I am acquainted with all = but three=20 of the Contest Board members and I feel they must have had reasons = for=20 voting as they did. I hope those reasons were for the good of all. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At any rate, what you see is what = we got. The=20 time for bickering is past. Clearly, the AMA wants direct = communications=20 rather than the assistance of the NSRCA and in the future I expect = we need=20 to all send them the detailed communications and let them deal = with it.=20 Failure to endorse the survey is a simple statement that we are = not=20 allowed to play in their sandbox.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The proposals are at <A=20 = href=3D"http://www.modelaircraft.org/Comp/2005rulesproposals.htm">http://= www.modelaircraft.org/Comp/2005rulesproposals.htm</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you compare the T&amp;L = sequences with=20 FAI's you will see they are not near as rigid.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Note there is no longer a penalty = for an=20 aborted takeoff(whatever the reason), and no need to call the = maneuver.=20 The need to call the landing is removed as well. I hate to show my = ignorance in public but I am still trying to figure out = what&nbsp;"upwind=20 and downwind markers" are. In this district we normally mark the = boxes,=20 the centers and the landing zones. If the terrain is rugged, = sometimes the=20 box markers are pretty close on one side, and not so close on the=20 other.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>John Ferrell&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR><A=20 href=3D"http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dvanputte@cox.net href=3D"mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron = Van=20 Putte</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Ddiscussion@nsrca.org=20 href=3D"mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 10, = 2004 10:36=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Rules = Proposals Final=20 Vote</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>John Fuqua asked me to forward the following to = the NSRCA=20 discussion list.<BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<BR><BR>Begin forwarded=20 message:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><B><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>From: = <?/color></B>"John=20 Fuqua" &lt;<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:johnfuqua@gdsys.net">johnfuqua@gdsys.net</A>&gt;<BR><B><?c= olor><?param 0000,0000,0000>Date:=20 <?/color></B>May 10, 2004 9:09:23 PM CDT<BR><B><?color><?param = 0000,0000,0000>To: <?/color></B>"Ron Van=20 Putte" &lt;<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</A>&gt;<BR><B><?color><= ?param 0000,0000,0000>Subject:=20 <?/color>RE: rules proposals final = result<BR></B><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param = 0000,0000,FFFD><?smaller>Please=20 pass on to the group that the Board is an AMA Board not a = NSRCA=20 Board.&nbsp; If we were an NSRCA Board Ron Van Putte's = proposal on the=20 annex system would not have been rejected by the AMA Excutive=20 Council.&nbsp;&nbsp; While I respect the NSRCA survey and look = at the=20 results I represent AMA District V not NSRCA District 3.&nbsp; = Same=20 for the other Board members.&nbsp; Just as the Board is not in = lock=20 step with me, or anybody else for that matter, the Board is = not in=20 lock step with the NSRCA nor should it be.&nbsp; Each District = member=20 must feel out his District.&nbsp; If he gets input from NSRCA = members=20 from his District than all the better.&nbsp; Just for the = record I=20 received zero, nada, 0 written or email inputs from my = District=20 members on these proposals.&nbsp; Others in my District have = talked to=20 me and there was no clear consensus one way or the other = leaving me to=20 vote my = feelings.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?color><?param = 0000,0000,FFFD><?smaller><?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily>&nbsp;<BR><?fo= ntfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFD><?smaller>I=20 submitted the takeoff and landing proposal, again, having had = another=20 of my district members submit it the last cycle where it = failed.&nbsp;=20 Just like flying by class vice frequency of some years ago, = some ideas=20 take time to develop.&nbsp; I think the proposal is superior = to what=20 we have now for a lot of reasons.&nbsp; Go look at the = rationale in=20 the proposal to see the issues.&nbsp; One last thought.&nbsp; = If=20 takeoff and landing were aerobatic manuevers, the FAA would = require=20 all airline passengers to wear = parachutes.<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR>&nbsp;<BR><?fontfamily><= ?param Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFD><?smaller>John=20 = Fuqua<?/smaller><?/color><?/fontfamily><BR><?smaller>-----Original=20 = Message-----<?/smaller><BR><B><?smaller></B></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></B= LOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_19929_1084369654_1-- ]