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<DIV><SPAN class=803452019-13052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Don,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=803452019-13052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
believe your interpretation of the spin is correct and has been status quo for
quite a few years, now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=803452019-13052004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Don Ramsey
[mailto:donramsey@cox-internet.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 13, 2004
3:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Back to a
two-year rules cycle and judging certification<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No, there are no recertification classes for FAI
this year. I decided since there were only minor changes we would not
require everyone to recertify until next year. NATS judges will be
briefed at the pilots meeting. There are some differences such as those
Troy recently posted. Here are the major ones.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm answering these questions based on the
Powerpoint presentation given by Bob Skinner and the presentation I'll use for
the Team Selection Finals (Ron I got it right) at the
NATS.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In "Description of Manoeuvres" (5A.1.13) it
states: "Where there is a combination of continuous rolls and point rolls
within a manoeuvre, the roll rate for the point rolls does not necessarily
have to be the same as the roll rate for the continuous rolls."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial><STRONG><EM>If a maneuver
contains different types of rolls the rates may be different except if there
are more than one roll of the same type then the roll rate on that roll must
be the same, as in the sq. loop, the 1/2 rolls must have equal rate and the 2
of 4s must be equal. Roll rates on rolls of the same type must be the
same, as in 2/2, 4/8, etc. On point rolls the roll rate must be the same
and duration of points must be equal.</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also, there are several center maneuvers,
(P-05.22, F-05.18 for example) where there is a half roll on the exit. The
maneuver descriptions state: "Exit half roll is part of the manoeuvre." This
raises a center question, P-05.22 is the 2 turn opposite inverted spin with a
half roll exit. AMA defines the stall as center of the spin - no such
language in FAI.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial><STRONG><EM>The half roll exit
is not considered for centering purposes and the spin should start at
center.</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2><B><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=2>On F-05.03 Half square loop on corner with
2/4pt. rolls, exit inverted: </B></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>Pull to a 45 degree upline and perform two points of a four-point roll.
Push through 90 degrees to a 45 degree upline and perform two points of a
four-point roll, then pull to exit inverted.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2>The aresti for this
maneuver shows the second set of rolls opposite the first. Is the
direction optional?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial><STRONG><EM>The roll direction
is not specified so it is the option of the pilot. The aresti was only
shown that way for clarity.</EM></STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT size=3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT size=3>I disagree with Troy on the spin (and that's a
dangerous thing to do) but I will get a definitive answer from Bob
Skinner.</FONT></DIV>
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<P align=left>5B.4.3.6. </FONT><B><FONT size=2>SPINS</P></B></FONT><FONT
size=2>
<P align=left>All spins begin and end with horizontal lines. In order to spin,
the model aircraft must be stalled. The entry is flown in a horizontal flight
path with the nose-up attitude increasing as the speed decreases. Drift of the
model aircraft from the flight path at this point should not be downgraded,
since it is in a near-stalled condition. However, severe yawing is cause for
downgrading. A climbing flight path just prior to the spin must be downgraded,
using the 1-point/15 degree rule. The nose then drops as the model aircraft
stalls. Simultaneously as the nose drops, the wing also drops in the direction
of the spin. Drift during the rotation of the spin should not be downgraded
since the model aircraft is in a stalled condition, provided the model
aircraft does not drift outside the aerobatic zone.</P><B><FONT size=2><FONT
size=2>
<P align=left>5B.4.4. </FONT>WIND CORRECTION </P></B></FONT><FONT
size=2>
<P align=left>All manoeuvres are required to be wind corrected in such a way
that the shape of the manoeuvre as described in Annex 5A is preserved in the
model aircraft's flight path. The exceptions to this grading criteria are in
the stall turns, and spins, where the model aircraft is in a stalled
condition.</P></FONT>
<P align=left><FONT size=3>From the Powerpoint presentation the severe yawing
is mentioned but the initial entry should be flown in a horizontal line (wind
corrected) until the wind exceeds the initial correction.</FONT> <FONT
size=4>This is not official but I will post the answer as soon as I
know.</FONT></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG><EM></EM></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG><EM>Don</EM></STRONG></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 13, 2004 1:04
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Back to a two-year rules
cycle and judging certification</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On May 12, 2004, at 3:37 PM, David Lockhart
wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>My judging certification
expires Dec 03 for FAI and Dec 04 for AMA. I am assuming I don't
need to be recertified as I am flying FAI at the NATs? But any AMA
NATs entrants in any of the AMA classes would need to be recertified (as
they could be selected to judge FAI)? Do I have this correct?<BR><?/smaller><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes. I am in the same
boat. I hope to go to an FAI certification class before the Nats so I don't
have to go to the class on Sunday before competition starts.<BR><BR>Ron Van
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