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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have never been so hungry that I needed a
customer like that. Anyone who believes ANYTHING that customer has to say is
also suspect, they are buying into lying. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Everyone of those type of individuals we encourage
to remain in the sport costs us at least 10 other potential contestants.
</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The worst thing you can do to your buddy in this
game is to hide bad news from him. Eventually he will have to face honest judges
and he will be hurt. Although it is not recommended practice, it is good for
judges to compare scores on a given flight occasionally. Just to see how well
you are tracking. I felt compelled to do this last weekend because I felt my
good friend and practice buddy was getting some awfully good scores from me. I
trust Bill Mitchell's judging so I asked that the three of us compare the scores
at the end of the flight. We were all pleased to see that Bill was just flying
good, my friendship had not tainted the results!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If a guy cannot face the facts (contestant or
judge) he needs to find something else to do!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Ferrell <BR><A
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=drykert@localnet.com href="mailto:drykert@localnet.com">Del
Rykert</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:04
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Defensive judging to avoid
retaliation. Are you guilty? </DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Using contestants as judges has
many ugly sides. I remember when some prominent fliers would register late for
NATS to get out of judging. I remember being told by a prominent flier he
didn't need to attend the judging seminar at the NATS as he preferred to go
out and practice being it was elective. Crying shame we have to
legislate answers to many issues that the ugly side of people present.
Bottom line in my mind is honor and character sure doesn't mean what it
once did. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2> Is
inexcusable for anyone to retaliate while judging. What do we do though. Ban
them from competing? It is unfair for Tony and anyone in that position to have
that dilemma. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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size=2>
del
<BR>
NSRCA - 473</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tony@radiosouthrc.com href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com">Tony
Stillman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Defensive judging to avoid
retaliation. Are you guilty? </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike:<BR><BR>It can be even worse than what you
described..... I have had this problem when I judged someone
critically, and they then put out the word not to buy stuff from Radio
South.....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So, as a manufacturer, should I DEMAND that I
not be required to judge, or just sit back and give out faulty scores so as
to not hurt my business? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mups1953@yahoo.com href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mike
mueller</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:39
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Defensive judging to avoid
retaliation. Are you guilty? </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Ok, this is the worst part of the problem with judging snaps, if you
take a stand and decide to be the "snap policeman" then you run the risk
of judges retaliation. Say your Bob the relatively new Advanced flyer
and your judging Joe superstar FAI guy. He executes a snap that's thought
by most to be pretty good because Joe performed it. You know better and
think it didn't show a proper break in pitch, so you 0 the maneuver. Dude
are you kidding me? Word get's out that you gave Joe superstar a 0
and you have a bullseye on your back that may effect how others are going
to judge you. Your stuck in the middle of a tough competition with your
arch rival and can't afford the inevitable results. Who wants a reputation
as a so called jerky judge especially one that can't fly nearly as well as
"Joe"?</DIV>
<DIV> Don't think for a second that this doesn't happen and happen
all the time. Thus you get the guys that take the "SAFE" route and scores
7 and 8's on everything even though you know better. Then there's the guy
that's competing against you judging in a defensive manner. Very few
guys are willing to step on toes because they are worried about the
consequences. </DIV>
<DIV> I hate contestant judging because it's vanilla. Back when
pattern was King we didn't allow it. When you held a contest you provided
judges that didn't fly. In so many ways it was better. Given all that were
stuck with it and it ain't changing anytime soon because we lack the
numbers that we used to have. </DIV>
<DIV> Houston we have a problem!!!!!!!!</DIV>
<DIV> PS: This is not meant to hurt Joe's feelings, so don't take it
too personally please. This is what makes judging snaps too hard for most
of us.</DIV>
<DIV> Oh ya am I guilty? In the past I would admit that it has played
in to my thinking process. I wonder how many of you would admit to this
fault.</DIV>
<DIV> Have
a nice day!! Mike</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
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