<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Sorry Del, no real answers to handling the poor sports. Just trying to point out that there are many many more good than poor. Some time ago, we used to not allow club members to fly in the club contests
and we required them to work the contest in judging capacities mostly.<BR>
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This scenario probably won't work today; club members that fly pattern just want fly rather than work. <BR>
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I also agree with Peter that the schedules have become so complex, that many judges have trouble following every detail. Have we painted ourselves (unwittingly) into a corner with the complexity?? Possibly. We practice and practice the schedules that maybe a few handfuls of guys can truly manage the judging correctly. <BR>
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I do not believe that all judge via impression tho. We have many guidelines to follow for the many infractions and we use these guides as best we can. Not to belabor the obvious, but being a good judge should likely start there- learning the guidelines.<BR>
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<B>I agree Matt.. Any idea of any workable way to address those that are the issue? Not sure it's driving many away. At least from what I have read and heard given for leaving.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR>
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<B>Subject:</B> Be A Good Judge//was:RE: Defensive judging to avoid retaliation.<BR>
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Contestant judging has flaws, no doubt about that. But I can't agree that returning to the old days where, in local events, people with very little knowledge about pattern and its many intricacies, were judging guys with many many years experience in pattern. That was not my idea of fairness in judging. <BR>
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Not all Contestant judges "get it", but many, maybe even most, do. It is a better system than what we had, at the local level at least. And many of us are continuing to help bring the word out to all. <BR>
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At the 2002 Nats I recall an F3A'er who apparently just did not want to judge us in Masters, so his scores were consistently 20-30% lower than the others. We all knew who he was however, when it was his time to fly F3A, at least on the panels I judged with other fellow Masters pilots, he was judged fairly with no bias towards retaliation that I saw. <BR>
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Yes we do have some, that for whatever reason, will not do their jobs correctly, at local events or nationals alike. But let's not forget the many that accept the responsibility with pride, and do a great job in choosing those that won and those that didn't, without fear of retaliation. My hat off to all who judge fairly. My suggestion and hope for the future is "Be A Good Judge" no matter what. The sport of pattern truly depends on it.<BR>
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Date:5/20/2004 12:19:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time<BR>
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I have never been so hungry that I needed a customer like that. Anyone who believes ANYTHING that customer has to say is also suspect, they are buying into lying. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Everyone of those type of individuals we encourage to remain in the sport costs us at least 10 other potential contestants. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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