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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John:<BR>Yes, I agree! I told him that I try
my best to judge everyone equally....It is a judge's job to find fault with
maneuvers...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>He should not take it personally... That is
part of competition....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=johnferrell@earthlink.net
href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">John Ferrell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:18
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Defensive judging to avoid
retaliation. Are you guilty? </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have never been so hungry that I needed a
customer like that. Anyone who believes ANYTHING that customer has to say is
also suspect, they are buying into lying. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Everyone of those type of individuals we
encourage to remain in the sport costs us at least 10 other potential
contestants. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The worst thing you can do to your buddy in this
game is to hide bad news from him. Eventually he will have to face honest
judges and he will be hurt. Although it is not recommended practice, it is
good for judges to compare scores on a given flight occasionally. Just to see
how well you are tracking. I felt compelled to do this last weekend because I
felt my good friend and practice buddy was getting some awfully good scores
from me. I trust Bill Mitchell's judging so I asked that the three of us
compare the scores at the end of the flight. We were all pleased to see that
Bill was just flying good, my friendship had not tainted the
results!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If a guy cannot face the facts (contestant or
judge) he needs to find something else to do!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John Ferrell <BR><A
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=drykert@localnet.com href="mailto:drykert@localnet.com">Del
Rykert</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:04
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Defensive judging to avoid
retaliation. Are you guilty? </DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Using contestants as judges
has many ugly sides. I remember when some prominent fliers would register
late for NATS to get out of judging. I remember being told by a
prominent flier he didn't need to attend the judging seminar at the NATS as
he preferred to go out and practice being it was elective. Crying shame
we have to legislate answers to many issues that the ugly side of
people present. Bottom line in my mind is honor and character sure
doesn't mean what it once did. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2> Is
inexcusable for anyone to retaliate while judging. What do we do though. Ban
them from competing? It is unfair for Tony and anyone in that position to
have that dilemma. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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size=2>
del
<BR>
NSRCA - 473</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tony@radiosouthrc.com href="mailto:tony@radiosouthrc.com">Tony
Stillman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Defensive judging to
avoid retaliation. Are you guilty? </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike:<BR><BR>It can be even worse than what
you described..... I have had this problem when I judged someone
critically, and they then put out the word not to buy stuff from Radio
South.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So, as a manufacturer, should I DEMAND that I
not be required to judge, or just sit back and give out faulty scores so
as to not hurt my business? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Tony Stillman<BR>Radio South<BR>3702 N. Pace Blvd.<BR>Pensacola, FL
32505<BR>1-800-962-7802<BR><A
href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com">www.radiosouthrc.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mups1953@yahoo.com href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mike
mueller</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 14, 2004
11:39 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Defensive judging to avoid
retaliation. Are you guilty? </DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>Ok, this is the worst part of the problem with judging snaps, if
you take a stand and decide to be the "snap policeman" then you run the
risk of judges retaliation. Say your Bob the relatively new
Advanced flyer and your judging Joe superstar FAI guy. He executes a
snap that's thought by most to be pretty good because Joe performed it.
You know better and think it didn't show a proper break in pitch, so you
0 the maneuver. Dude are you kidding me? Word get's out that you
gave Joe superstar a 0 and you have a bullseye on your back that may
effect how others are going to judge you. Your stuck in the middle of a
tough competition with your arch rival and can't afford the inevitable
results. Who wants a reputation as a so called jerky judge especially
one that can't fly nearly as well as "Joe"?</DIV>
<DIV> Don't think for a second that this doesn't happen and happen
all the time. Thus you get the guys that take the "SAFE" route and
scores 7 and 8's on everything even though you know better. Then there's
the guy that's competing against you judging in a defensive
manner. Very few guys are willing to step on toes because they are
worried about the consequences. </DIV>
<DIV> I hate contestant judging because it's vanilla. Back
when pattern was King we didn't allow it. When you held a contest you
provided judges that didn't fly. In so many ways it was better. Given
all that were stuck with it and it ain't changing anytime soon because
we lack the numbers that we used to have. </DIV>
<DIV> Houston we have a problem!!!!!!!!</DIV>
<DIV> PS: This is not meant to hurt Joe's feelings, so don't take
it too personally please. This is what makes judging snaps too hard for
most of us.</DIV>
<DIV> Oh ya am I guilty? In the past I would admit that it has
played in to my thinking process. I wonder how many of you would admit
to this fault.</DIV>
<DIV> Have
a nice day!! Mike</DIV>
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