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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>I agree Matt.. Any idea of any
workable way to address those that are the issue? Not sure it's driving
many away. At least from what I have read and heard given
for leaving.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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del</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<A title=Rcmaster199@aol.com
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Be A Good Judge//was:RE:
Defensive judging to avoid retaliation.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">Contestant judging has flaws, no doubt about
that. But I can't agree that returning to the old days where, in local events,
people with very little knowledge about pattern and its many intricacies, were
judging guys with many many years experience in pattern. That was not my idea
of fairness in judging. <BR><BR>Not all Contestant judges "get it", but many,
maybe even most, do. It is a better system than what we had, at the local
level at least. And many of us are continuing to help bring the word out to
all. <BR><BR>At the 2002 Nats I recall an F3A'er who apparently just did not
want to judge us in Masters, so his scores were consistently 20-30% lower than
the others. We all knew who he was however, when it was his time to fly F3A,
at least on the panels I judged with other fellow Masters pilots, he was
judged fairly with no bias towards retaliation that I saw. <BR><BR>Yes we do
have some, that for whatever reason, will not do their jobs correctly, at
local events or nationals alike. But let's not forget the many that accept the
responsibility with pride, and do a great job in choosing those that won and
those that didn't, without fear of retaliation. My hat off to all who judge
fairly. My suggestion and hope for the future is "Be A Good Judge" no matter
what. The sport of pattern truly depends on it.<BR><BR>Matt Kebabjian<BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE">Subj:<B>Re: Defensive judging to avoid retaliation. Are you
guilty? </B><BR>Date:5/20/2004 12:19:25 PM Eastern Daylight
Time<BR>From:<A
href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">johnferrell@earthlink.net</A><BR>Reply-to:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>To:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><I>Sent from
the Internet </I><BR><BR><BR><BR>I have never been so hungry that I needed a
customer like that. Anyone who believes ANYTHING that customer has to say is
also suspect, they are buying into lying. </FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">Everyone of those type of
individuals we encourage to remain in the sport costs us at least 10 other
potential contestants. </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12"
BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
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BACK="#ffffff">The worst thing you can do to your buddy in this game is to
hide bad news from him. Eventually he will have to face honest judges and he
will be hurt. Although it is not recommended practice, it is good for judges
to compare scores on a given flight occasionally. Just to see how well you
are tracking. I felt compelled to do this last weekend because I felt my
good friend and practice buddy was getting some awfully good scores from me.
I trust Bill Mitchell's judging so I asked that the three of us compare the
scores at the end of the flight. We were all pleased to see that Bill was
just flying good, my friendship had not tainted the results!</FONT><FONT
lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">If a guy cannot face the facts
(contestant or judge) he needs to find something else to do!</FONT><FONT
lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR>John
Ferrell <BR><A
href="http://dixienc.us/">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">
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<DIV>----- Original Message ----- <BR><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:drykert@localnet.com">Del Rykert</A> <BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A>
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:04 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Defensive judging to avoid retaliation. Are you guilty?
<BR><BR><BR><B>Using contestants as judges has many ugly sides. I remember
when some prominent fliers would register late for NATS to get out of
judging. I remember being told by a prominent flier he </B></DIV>
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