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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=mups1953@yahoo.com href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mike mueller</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 21, 2004 5:52 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Be A Good Judge//was:RE:
Defensive judging to avoid retaliation.</DIV>
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<DIV> Matt I don't really want or see the reality of non contestant
judging. I was just trying to make a point. Your thoughts here are very
accurate. Thanks, Mike<BR><BR><B><I><A
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A></I></B> wrote:
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Contestant judging has flaws, no doubt about that. But I
can't agree that returning to the old days where, in local events, people
with very little knowledge about pattern and its many intricacies, were
judging guys with many many years experience in pattern. That was not my
idea of fairness in judging. <BR><BR>Not all Contestant judges "get it", but
many, maybe even most, do. It is a better system than what we had, at the
local level at least. And many of us are continuing to help bring the word
out to all. <BR><BR>At the 2002 Nats I recall an F3A'er who apparently just
did not want to judge us in Masters, so his scores were consistently 20-30%
lower than the others. We all knew who he was however, when it was his time
to fly F3A, at least on the panels I judged with other fellow Masters
pilots, he was judged fairly with no bias towards retaliation that I saw.
<BR><BR>Yes we do have some, that for whatever reason, will not do their
jobs correctly, at local events or nationals alike. But let's not forget the
many that accept the responsibility with pride, and do a great job in
choosing those that won and those that didn't, without fear of retaliation.
My hat off to all who judge fairly. My suggestion and hope for the future is
"Be A Good Judge" no matter what. The sport of pattern truly depends on
it.<BR><BR>Matt Kebabjian<BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE">Subj:<B>Re: Defensive judging to avoid retaliation. Are you
guilty? </B><BR>Date:5/20/2004 12:19:25 PM Eastern Daylight
Time<BR>From:<A
href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">johnferrell@earthlink.net</A><BR>Reply-to:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>To:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><I>Sent
from the Internet </I><BR><BR><BR><BR>I have never been so hungry that I
needed a customer like that. Anyone who believes ANYTHING that customer
has to say is also suspect, they are buying into lying. </FONT><FONT
lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
PTSIZE="12" FAMILY="SANSSERIF" BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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PTSIZE="10" FAMILY="SANSSERIF" BACK="#ffffff">Everyone of those type of
individuals we encourage to remain in the sport costs us at least 10 other
potential contestants. </FONT><FONT lang=0
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PTSIZE="12" FAMILY="SANSSERIF" BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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PTSIZE="10" FAMILY="SANSSERIF" BACK="#ffffff">The worst thing you can do
to your buddy in this game is to hide bad news from him. Eventually he
will have to face honest judges and he will be hurt. Although it is not
recommended practice, it is good for judges to compare scores on a given
flight occasionally. Just to see how well you are tracking. I felt
compelled to do this last weekend because I felt my good friend and
practice buddy was getting some awfully good scores from me. I trust Bill
Mitchell's judging so I asked that the three of us compare the scores at
the end of the flight. We were all pleased to see that Bill was just
flying good, my friendship had not tainted the results!</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
PTSIZE="12" FAMILY="SANSSERIF" BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
PTSIZE="10" FAMILY="SANSSERIF" BACK="#ffffff">If a guy cannot face the
facts (contestant or judge) he needs to find something else to
do!</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000000 size=3 PTSIZE="12" FAMILY="SANSSERIF"
BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR>John Ferrell <BR><A
href="http://dixienc.us/">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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TYPE="CITE">----- Original Message ----- <BR><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:drykert@localnet.com">Del Rykert</A> <BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A>
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:04 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Defensive judging to avoid retaliation. Are you guilty?
<BR><BR><BR><B>Using contestants as judges has many ugly sides. I
remember when some prominent fliers would register late for NATS to get
out of judging. I remember being told by a prominent flier he didn't
need to attend the judging seminar at the NATS as he preferred to go out
and practice being it was elective. Crying shame we have to legislate
answers to many issues that the ugly side of people present. Bottom line
in my mind is honor and character sure doesn't mean what it once did.
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PTSIZE="10" FAMILY="SANSSERIF" BACK="#ffffff"><B> Is
inexcusable for anyone to retaliate while judging. What do we do though.
Ban them from competing? It is unfair for Tony and anyone in that
position to have that dilemma. </FONT><FONT lang=0
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del
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NSRCA - 473</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
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