<DIV> Matt I don't really want or see the reality of non contestant judging. I was just trying to make a point. Your thoughts here are very accurate. Thanks, Mike<BR><BR><B><I>Rcmaster199@aol.com</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">Contestant judging has flaws, no doubt about that. But I can't agree that returning to the old days where, in local events, people with very little knowledge about pattern and its many intricacies, were judging guys with many many years experience in pattern. That was not my idea of fairness in judging. <BR><BR>Not all Contestant judges "get it", but many, maybe even most, do. It is a better system than what we had, at the local level at least. And many of us are continuing to help bring the word out to all. <BR><BR>At the 2002 Nats I recall an F3A'er who apparently just did not want to judge us in Masters, so his scores were consistently 20-30% lower than the others. We all knew who he was however, when it was his time to fly F3A, at least on the panels I judged with other fellow Masters pilots,
he was judged fairly with no bias towards retaliation that I saw. <BR><BR>Yes we do have some, that for whatever reason, will not do their jobs correctly, at local events or nationals alike. But let's not forget the many that accept the responsibility with pride, and do a great job in choosing those that won and those that didn't, without fear of retaliation. My hat off to all who judge fairly. My suggestion and hope for the future is "Be A Good Judge" no matter what. The sport of pattern truly depends on it.<BR><BR>Matt Kebabjian<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">Subj:<B>Re: Defensive judging to avoid retaliation. Are you guilty? </B><BR>Date:5/20/2004 12:19:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time<BR>From:<A href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">johnferrell@earthlink.net</A><BR>Reply-to:<A href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>To:<A href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><I>Sent from the Internet </I><BR><BR><BR><BR>I have never been so hungry that I needed a customer like that. Anyone who believes ANYTHING that customer has to say is also suspect, they are buying into lying. </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">Everyone of those type of individuals
we encourage to remain in the sport costs us at least 10 other potential contestants. </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">The worst thing you can do to your buddy in this game is to hide bad news from him. Eventually he will have to face honest judges and he will be hurt. Although it is not recommended practice, it is good for judges to compare scores on a given flight occasionally. Just to see how well you are tracking. I felt compelled to do this last weekend because I felt my good friend and practice buddy was getting some awfully good scores from me. I trust Bill Mitchell's judging so I asked that the three of us compare the scores at the end of the flight. We were all pleased to see that Bill was just flying good, my friendship had not tainted
the results!</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">If a guy cannot face the facts (contestant or judge) he needs to find something else to do!</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR>John Ferrell <BR><A href="http://dixienc.us/">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">----- Original Message ----- <BR><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:drykert@localnet.com">Del Rykert</A> <BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:04 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Defensive judging to avoid retaliation. Are you guilty? <BR><BR><BR><B>Using contestants as judges has many ugly sides. I remember when some prominent fliers would register late for NATS to get out of judging. I remember being told by a prominent flier he didn't need to attend the judging seminar at the NATS as he preferred to go out and practice being it was elective. Crying shame we have to legislate answers to many issues that the ugly side of people present. Bottom line in my mind is honor and character sure doesn't mean what it once did. </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000
size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"></B><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff"><B> Is inexcusable for anyone to retaliate while judging. What do we do though. Ban them from competing? It is unfair for Tony and anyone in that position to have that dilemma. </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="12" BACK="#ffffff"></B><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff"><B> del <BR> NSRCA - 473</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
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