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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Agreed...</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<A title=Rcmaster199@aol.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Be A Good Judge//was:RE:
Defensive</DIV>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">Sorry Del, no real answers to handling the poor
sports. Just trying to point out that there are many many more good than poor.
Some time ago, we used to not allow club members to fly in the club contests
and we required them to work the contest in judging capacities
mostly.<BR><BR>This scenario probably won't work today; club members that fly
pattern just want fly rather than work. <BR><BR>I also agree with Peter that
the schedules have become so complex, that many judges have trouble following
every detail. Have we painted ourselves (unwittingly) into a corner with the
complexity?? Possibly. We practice and practice the schedules that maybe a few
handfuls of guys can truly manage the judging correctly. <BR><BR>I do not
believe that all judge via impression tho. We have many guidelines to follow
for the many infractions and we use these guides as best we can. Not to
belabor the obvious, but being a good judge should likely start there-
learning the guidelines.<BR><BR>Matt <BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE">Subj:<B>Re: Be A Good Judge//was:RE: Defensive judging to avoid
retaliation. </B><BR>Date:5/20/2004 9:25:39 PM Eastern Daylight
Time<BR>From:<A
href="mailto:drykert@localnet.com">drykert@localnet.com</A><BR>Reply-to:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>To:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><I>Sent from
the Internet </I><BR><BR><BR><BR><B>I agree Matt.. Any idea of any workable
way to address those that are the issue? Not sure it's driving many away. At
least from what I have read and heard given for leaving.</FONT><FONT lang=0
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TYPE="CITE">----- Original Message ----- <BR><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:Rcmaster199@aol.com">Rcmaster199@aol.com</A> <BR><B>To:</B>
<A href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A>
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:00 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Be A
Good Judge//was:RE: Defensive judging to avoid
retaliation.<BR><BR><BR>Contestant judging has flaws, no doubt about that.
But I can't agree that returning to the old days where, in local events,
people with very little knowledge about pattern and its many intricacies,
were judging guys with many many years experience in pattern. That was not
my idea of fairness in judging. <BR><BR>Not all Contestant judges "get
it", but many, maybe even most, do. It is a better system than what we
had, at the local level at least. And many of us are continuing to help
bring the word out to all. <BR><BR>At the 2002 Nats I recall an F3A'er who
apparently just did not want to judge us in Masters, so his scores were
consistently 20-30% lower than the others. We all knew who he was however,
when it was his time to fly F3A, at least on the panels I judged with
other fellow Masters pilots, he was judged fairly with no bias towards
retaliation that I saw. <BR><BR>Yes we do have some, that for whatever
reason, will not do their jobs correctly, at local events or nationals
alike. But let's not forget the many that accept the responsibility with
pride, and do a great job in choosing those that won and those that
didn't, without fear of retaliation. My hat off to all who judge fairly.
My suggestion and hope for the future is "Be A Good Judge" no matter what.
The sport of pattern truly depends on it.<BR><BR>Matt Kebabjian<BR><BR>
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TYPE="CITE">Subj:<B>Re: Defensive judging to avoid retaliation. Are you
guilty? </B><BR>Date:5/20/2004 12:19:25 PM Eastern Daylight
Time<BR>From:<A
href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">johnferrell@earthlink.net</A><BR>Reply-to:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR>To:<A
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A><BR><I>Sent
from the Internet </I><BR><BR><BR><BR>I have never been so hungry that I
needed a customer like that. Anyone who believes ANYTHING that customer
has to say is also suspect, they are buying into lying. </FONT><FONT
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">Everyone of those type of
individuals we encourage to remain in the sport costs us at least 10
other potential contestants.
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