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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I concur with Matt. I am happy with mine
as well. I flew mine with the L and it was fine but it needs more power to fly
the F schedule well. Mine is powered by a YS Dingo. CG is about 10mm back from recommended.
That makes it about 280mm from trailing edge. The model is awesome as far as
locking onto lines eg 45 degree uplines as well as verticals and downlines work
really well. Mine has 10 % mix on left and right rudder.</span></font></p>
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discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Rcmaster199@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 30 May 2004 11:39 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> discussion@nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Plane type</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I flew the Alliance for two seasons in Masters and found it
to be an exceptional perfrormer . I had the wing incidence set at 1/4 degree
positive, with stab at zero and engine as per the built in nose off sets. <br>
<br>
Webra 145 powered mine with a 16x14initially, and I set the pipe long,
(conservative) . Eventually went to more typical set-up on pipe setting and the
plane improved in power authority. <br>
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It sounds like you may be underpropping the L some. The L has enough beans to
turn a 16x13N just fine. <font color=black BACK="#ffffff" PTSIZE=10
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I set the cg at the recommended location and found that to be too nose heavy
for me. I eventually pushed the cg back approximately 15 mm from stock, and
everything improved. <br>
<br>
About the only negative on this design was the amount of "UP" mix
required to fly a true knife edge-- about +8% both sides, and could have
probably used +10%. The aft cg location I was using was a good compromise
between overall flyability and the amount of UP mix to fly knife edge.<br>
<br>
In terms of ability to lock in any attitude, it was one of the best I have
flown. It's ability to hit angles with precision, and fly true up and down
lines was outstanding. I am surprised that you are finding the plane tough to
fly with precision. Have you gone back and re-checked all of your settings? <br>
<br>
Hope that helps you. Good luck<br>
<br>
Matt K<br>
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<br>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
background:white'>Date:5/29/2004 8:55:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time<br>
From:<a href="mailto:xavier.mouraux@sympatico.ca">xavier.mouraux@sympatico.ca</a><br>
Reply-to:<a href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a><br>
To:<a href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</a><br>
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>Sent from the Internet </span></i><br>
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<br>
I am trying to decide which of my plane will be my primary this year. I have an
Alliance/140L/15x12W/25% and a Hydeout/160FX/17x13/15%. Both are just under 10
lbs. <br>
After practicing a few weeks with the Hydeout to start the season, I took the Alliance out also to see which one feels better for me. I have now 30 flights with each
one this year and I am still struggling with the Alliance. I can't get nice
straight lines (horizontal or vertical), the rolls on 45 are not straight and
the snaps aren't nice. When I fly the Hydeout, everything is a lot better. <br>
The CG of the Alliance is already moved aft of the instructions but I still
need a lot of elevator for inverted flight. I tried more aft but it didn't fix
it and I am now thinking about moving even more aft. The plane is very stable
at low speed and the rudder as a lot of authority. It easily loop in knife
edge. The elevator and ailerons also work very well. I tried a 15.5x13N and a
16x10 without improvement except for better vertical with the 16x10.<br>
The Hydeout is more powerful and easily makes big maneuvers. The roll rate
going up or down looks very similar so I am assuming that the speeds are
similar too. The rolls on 45 are better.<br>
I fly the P05 in approximately the same time (around 8 min) with both airplanes
but with some maneuvers bigger with the Hydeout.<br>
Could it be that I fly the Alliance too slow ?<br>
Should I move the CG more aft and how far back could I move without trouble ?<br>
Any other ideas to help me taking the better decision ?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Xavier<br>
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